WD45 226 ENGINE modified
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Topic: WD45 226 ENGINE modified
Posted By: WD45
Subject: WD45 226 ENGINE modified
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2013 at 11:48am
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Fellows that modify the 226 engine to gain more hp. What changes are made? If bore and stroke were revised what would the new bore and stroke be. ------------- Fred Dunlop, G,B,CA, WC,WF, 3 WD45`s,gas, diesel and LP,U,D10 series III, D12,D14,D15 SERIES II,D17 Series IV in Gas and Diesel ,D19 GAS and D21,170 185,210 ,220 an I-600 8070 fwd, 716H and 1920H |
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Posted By: CTD03
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2013 at 2:41pm
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That's messed up post.... Or it may just be my (I pod) ------------- 1961 D17 (sold)1968 190xt |
Posted By: Moderator
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2013 at 2:59pm
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Posted By: Kip-Utah
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2013 at 3:48pm
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Using regular off the shelf parts a WC/WD engiine with 4" bore & 4" stroke is 201 cid. By increasing the bore to 4.125" you are now at 217 cid. Adding the 4.5" stroke WD45 crank to the larger bore now puts you right at 240 cid. Of course the stock WD45 or D17 is the 4" bore & 4.5" stroke combo at 226 cid. For a fairly mildly modified pulling engine I prefer the "Power Crater" pistons for a 170 or 175 that puts you around 7.75:1 compression with the 4.5" crank, but others wanting even more compression like to use WD flat top pistons with the 4.5" crank. Any of these combinations use the same rods, as everything from WC-D17 is the same length. Anything bigger than these combinations require custom sleeves and custom stroked cranks. Good Luck...Kip ------------- HANSEN'S OLD ORANGE IRON. Showing, Pulling, & Going!! |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2013 at 4:40pm
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4 7/8 bore by 6 1/2 or more stroke. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Gary in da UP
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2013 at 6:37pm
| Fred, ......KIp is right on , ignore the panky post. Gary |
Posted By: AC200Puller
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2013 at 7:03pm
| Kip has it right and this would be a fairly cheap way to get started and you can always do more later. |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2013 at 8:22pm
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You can vo kips way most of us do at first ifs just a waste of money causs if it gets in your blood you will want more and more and each time its more and more money ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Ihateillinoisnazis
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2013 at 8:27pm
One day after all the banning and you give us this much ammo to make fun of you with? English. ...Type it!!!
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mlpankey wrote:Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2013 at 8:37pm
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Ask dr.allis how many cubic inches his is ask.brown how many cubic inches his is. Ask barney how many inches he ran in the antique class. Ask jr crum .Hayden Gibson. Mitch Pankey. Just ask them how many cubic inches they feel it takes to be competitive and go from there. Its only a matter of opinion. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Glockhead SWMI
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2013 at 8:44pm
| just ignore him guys... |
Posted By: Mrgoodwrench
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2013 at 9:40pm
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from what i've read, as with most engine builds, you are only limited by your check book and class rules ------------- There are 3 ways to do job GOOD, FAST, CHEAP. YOU MAY CHOOSE 2. If its FAST & CHEAP it won't be GOOD, if it's GOOD & CHEAP it won't be FAST, and if its GOOD & FAST it won't be CHEAP!!!! |
Posted By: Carl(NWWI)
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2013 at 10:26pm
Hopefully we can do that. I'd hate to see the forum pulled, the wrong people kicked off, and posts overrun with nonsense and bs. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2013 at 11:18pm
| The claim of 4 7/8" bore is impossible, in fact I don't think anyone has done 4 3/4" let alone 4 7/8". |
Posted By: KGood
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 7:32am
| Our biggest is 4 1/2 bore and 6 1/8 stroke. Used an engine out of an E combine. We had a guy in our old club that went bigger bore. I don't remember what but he said he split two blocks so now he has some sort of tie rods going from side to side. His name is Ira Banter he is brother of the Banter brothers team that pulled multiple engines on there modified early on when not allot of people did that. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 8:22am
| Use of a deck plate might gain a little, but most Antique Clubs don't allow any deck plate spacers between block and cyl head. |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 8:35am
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Dr you want to see pictures of a 4 3/4 or a 4 7/8 .its possible and in the shop now. I have never lied to you and always appreciated you honesty and opinions when we have spoke in conversation ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Gary in da UP
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 8:45am
| Ignore |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 8:51am
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Ps don karpells old pulling engine was the first 4 3/4 bore engine i knew of and we all know how many years it was on the pulling circuit. Yes everyone that we do engines for is in hope that their coompetitors ignore me. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: arcticcat
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 9:21am
| Panky. Mind your own business you dont no what you are talking about |
Posted By: Rod B
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 9:24am
I'll bite. So how many cubes does it take to be 50 feet behind in the classic class Mitch Pankey? How many cubes does it take to be 100 feet behind in the outlaw class Mitch Pankey? As far as never lied to us, that's a lie also. ------------- for the money there is nothing better than provoking idiots and posers |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 9:26am
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310 cause everyone else was 400 inches or better 310 can win some but everything has to be perfect.this site crys for the truth but when given truth thwy can't handle it. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Rod B
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 9:28am
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While some people follow pulling forums, others lead them. Take the advice of Dr. Allis or Wi50. ------------- for the money there is nothing better than provoking idiots and posers |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 9:34am
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Rod you will be suprised what you learn when you start betting people that they arent 440 inches.i bet that there was no way dons wc running a step down box was 440 inches well when tbe head came off my money left it measured a stroke of 6.25 and 440 inches so you do the math on the bore size if you can. Four people where standing there when the bore was actuallyy measured as well. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Rod B
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 9:55am
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And L Hud kicked you around with much less than 310. Maybe others are much better wrenches than you! Maybe you're a poor gambeling man getting took on your bets. If Wi sent you the flow numbers that'd be another 200 union bucks spent on your education. ------------- for the money there is nothing better than provoking idiots and posers |
Posted By: cms
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 10:23am
| 4 3/4 is doable anything over that the sleeves are very thin. anything can put in. 4 7/8 plus a good size wall thickness is no room. Some guys dream big bore but if it does run its a dream . dons engine is 440 + . |
Posted By: arcticcat
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 11:09am
| Panky you dont have any pictures because you wouldn't post and go back to school and take a spelling class |
Posted By: Ihateillinoisnazis
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 11:45am
Yes, please post pictures. Also put a caliper or whatever measuring stick you use in the south to measure the bore diameter in place while taking the picture. |
Posted By: cms
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 11:58am
| Hey planky how do you know so much about dons motor? Do you have it now? Where are located? Last known the motor went to ohio |
Posted By: Ihateillinoisnazis
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 12:10pm
LOL he's going to come up with a story about how he bought it "just to keep Don honest" Insert another Plankey lie here... [ ]
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Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 12:29pm
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I am in tn .read the above posts thouroughly there is a thin wall sleeve manufactured that will fit with a 4 7/8 bore od is like 5.0535. I am not going to argue that 25 cubic incbes is enough to be concerned with but when your 90 to a 130 cubic incbes shy you better go to the cubic inch store and pick up a few. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 1:42pm
 ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Ihateillinoisnazis
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 2:18pm
LOL, this proves you really are one genius hillbilly. Way to edit that picture and cut off the vital part. Now we know why Spunky's engines run for five pulls. He uses a stanley tape measure to build engines. Good one spunk.
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Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 2:25pm
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never claimed to be a photographer just a engine builder . when i go back to shop i will try to take a better photo . its tough to do by myshelf i thought that might do but once you send it from phone to computer from computer to photobucket from photobucket to forum it just doesnt do much justice. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Carl(NWWI)
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 2:50pm
| Always works fine for me doing it that way. Pictured looks just like it did when I take it..... |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 3:11pm
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[QUOTE=Carl(NWWI)] Always works fine for me doing it that way. Pictured looks just like it did when I take it.....[/QUOTE my phone tells me the picture is to big and ask if i wang it to automatically resize it to send so i do and thats the results ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 3:16pm
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Anyway its bigger than any picture from wi unstylish or od oh wait. I have never seen a picture from rod illinoisnazi tucker or butchy. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Rod B
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 6:23pm
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First pankey's building an engine, then freshning one up. Then someone elses engine.
Who in their right mind would let him touch more than a rock? ------------- for the money there is nothing better than provoking idiots and posers |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 6:34pm
------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: SuperM74
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 8:55pm
Just once i would like to read a post where spankey doesn't fill it full of crap! He never claimed to be a photographer, and no one has ever accused him of being an engine builder either... I can't help but wonder if spankey uses a die grinder and a carbid cutter to bore his engines, since he uses tape measures to check the bores with...  ------------- You can't make chicken salad, outta chicken sh*t! Proof's in the pudding! |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2013 at 8:00am
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Yet another farmall man on a allis forum. They say a pictures worth 1000 words and that seeing is believing but some just cant accept the truth. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2013 at 8:35am
------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Ihateillinoisnazis
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2013 at 8:40am
We have seen your engine building math play out before. Last time you were moving the crankshaft lower in the block, and forgetting about gear alignment. Now you're moving cylinders. What next?? |
Posted By: SuperM74
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2013 at 10:24am
Yes i am a Farmall man, and Allis also. You see Spanky the name SuperM has nothing to do with a tractor..... My friends call me that because i can work on almost anything that is put in front of me.. The "M" stands for mechanic Spanky. So by assuming what the "M" stood for you made an A$$ out of yourself. As for the picture you claim is worth a thousand words, all i see is a nasty looking chunk of iron with a tape measure that can not be fully read. Spanky, you wouldn't make a pimple on a good mechanic/machinist hind end! All you do is trash every sensible post put on here with ramblings and utter ignorance. You have 2 ears and only 1 mouth Spanky, therefore you should listen twice as much as you talk....
------------- You can't make chicken salad, outta chicken sh*t! Proof's in the pudding! |
Posted By: patrickmull
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2013 at 10:54am
| ignore him we all know hes wrong |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2013 at 12:22pm
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Dan told you one was possible at 4 3/4 bore his brother Don purchased one from Ronnie shipman. Shipman over the years has done more of them so its not like his was the only one to learn from ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2013 at 10:43am
| the guy asked one simple that i was interested in and realey did not get and answer |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2013 at 11:09am
I have posted all kinds of pictures. I also said I am NOT an engine builder and have never played one on a tractor forum.  I do know some machining. Your tape measure is a good on Mitch  Here is a clip of me Mitch. I'm cleaning up a crankshaft on the Poreba lathe. http://s26.beta.photobucket.com/user/Bluegrallis/media/clips%20from%20work/DSCN0935.mp4.html?sort=2&o=8" rel="nofollow - http://s26.beta.photobucket.com/user/Bluegrallis/media/clips%20from%20work/DSCN0935.mp4.html?sort=2&o=8 ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2013 at 11:16am
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I use Micrometers to measure bores and journals. Tape measure is for the cut off saw Here is the start of a new crankshaft for a punch press using a solid chunk of 4140. This press is still in operation more than 5 years after I made a new crank and new main and rod bearings  You can see in the first clip why I made a new crank.http://s26.beta.photobucket.com/user/Bluegrallis/media/clips%20from%20work/slides002.mp4.html" rel="nofollow - http://s26.beta.photobucket.com/user/Bluegrallis/media/clips%20from%20work/slides002.mp4.html http://s26.beta.photobucket.com/user/Bluegrallis/media/clips%20from%20work/slides.mp4.html" rel="nofollow - http://s26.beta.photobucket.com/user/Bluegrallis/media/clips%20from%20work/slides.mp4.html ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: patrickmull
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2013 at 11:40am
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tuck that's neat |