orange deutz allis 8000 series tractor factory?
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Topic: orange deutz allis 8000 series tractor factory?
Posted By: orangeace1
Subject: orange deutz allis 8000 series tractor factory?
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2013 at 3:01pm
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Does anyone know where deutz allis manufactured the orange 8010 through 8070 model tractors from 1986 through 1988? I know it was not west allis as that plant closed December 1985. Also, since deutz did not buy the AC engines or the Harvey, ILL engine plant what engine was in the orange deutz allis 8000 series tractors? ------------- Have these AC tractors: 2 WC's styled,one with AC bale loader.WD with AC frontloader. WD45gas, 2 D17 s4's gas. D19 gas w/cab,190gas w/cab,190xt sIII w/cab,210 w/cab, 7045. |
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Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2013 at 4:02pm
| They made them in West Allis till Dec 6 -85, id say some where left over and werent sold till 86,87,88 - all used AC engines- tractors and equipment werent moving at all because of the economy , some new tractors set on lots 3 to 4 years around here , the orange tractors were all Allis Chalmers- just a Deutz Allis sticker and KHD emblem on the grille , i hope this is right info, no Orange tractors were produced till Agco brought out the Orange DA,s or Whites |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2013 at 4:14pm
| I do believe DA had intentions of marketing the big Orange ones but it fell thru, not sure if the details there |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2013 at 4:23pm
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What about the 8000 series that AC was building for MF to market? A very knowledgeable person mentioned this over barley pops! Anyone ever find gray or red paint under their black or orange AC 8000 series? ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: farmtoybuilder
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2013 at 4:39pm
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News to me about a RED 8000 series. We sold Massey then and never heard or seen anything of one. ------------- 5 different TT-10's,5 TT-18's Terra Tigers,B-10,2 B-207's,B-110,2 B-112's,HB-112,B-210,B-212,HB212,2 Scamp's & Homilite T-10. Still hunting NICE HB-112 & anything Terra Tiger & Trailers for them. |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2013 at 4:40pm
| Ive heard about that too, also heard that tractors were loaded to be delivered and at the last minute all was canceled |
Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2013 at 6:35pm
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KHD rebadged left over inventory to sell as their own. I don't believe they built any tractors in the US. Allied, assembled tractors for them in their factory based on old White designed chassis whith Duetz engines. While it was a cheap way to put tractors on the market they were obsolete before they rolled off thre assembly line. ------------- AGCO My Allis Gleaner Company |
Posted By: split51
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2013 at 6:47pm
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I remember redecaling some of the 8000 series Allis Chalmers to Deutz Allis on the lot at my families dealership. ------------- 1929 20-35 sn17662 B1 w/snow blade B10 w/sickle mower B110 w/mower deck B110 w/tiller B112 w/grader blade B210 w/plo |
Posted By: Ryan Renko
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2013 at 6:47pm
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Someone posted a copy of a dealers invoice a while back on a 8000 series tractor. Times must have been tough in the 80's because the factory was deducting almost 50% of the list price of a new tractor!!! Ryan |
Posted By: birdfarmer2199
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2013 at 6:53pm
| I have a picture somewhere of a green 80xx sitting at Hunley's dealership in southern In. Probably 15 or 20 years ago. Don't know anything about other than it was parked there. |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2013 at 7:33pm
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Hunleys put conversions in the 8000 series. I know they put Deutz motors in some of them. Brian use to have the serial number 1 8070 there with a Deutz motor in it. I was there yesterday and the Komatsu motor is in the 8095 now.
IG ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: Tim-tn
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2013 at 7:40pm
| john are you coming down to look at 7080 |
Posted By: Jordan(OH)
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2013 at 10:43pm
 Hard to see but that is a Deutz green 8000 FWA. My dad got 2 of these with an 8030. |
Posted By: tornado8070
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2013 at 11:33am
Now that must be a very rare watch, however I can not stand the site of a deutz green 8000 series.  ------------- 09’ DT205B, 08’ DT220A, 83' 8070 MFWD, 83’ 8070 85’ 8050 MFWD, 83' 8030, 82' 8010, 85’ 6080 MFWD, 84’ 6080, 79' 7020, 85' M3 RWD, 85' 920 diesel,AC C-50 forklift. |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2013 at 11:50am
| The watches pop up on Ebay quite a bit |
Posted By: Bill(MO)
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2013 at 5:02pm
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Deutz sent out new decals to replace the AC decals for tractors in inventory. Most dealers did not put them on. Bill(Mo) |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2013 at 7:33pm
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Well, if a new tractor was in your inventory, and the new Deutz-Allis Company was holding the note on it, (while it sat on your lot) it better have had the new decals installed, if they told you to do so. The Territory man's job was somewhat on the line there. If it was in "paid-for" inventory, that would have been different. |
Posted By: Seth Souerdike
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2013 at 7:39pm
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no matter what it will never be our beloved Allis Chalmers ------------- There are no atheist in foxholes. |
Posted By: bigal121892
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2013 at 8:16pm
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All of the 8000 series tractors, were manufactured prior to the closing of the West Allis plant. Due to the bad economy, it took a while for deutz to sell the inventory off. Bought 2 new 1983 8070 MFWDs in 1987, PS, Duals, front weights, and two 21' Allis Chalmers 2500 series disks for $64000. The first thing I did after delivery, was to tear off the deutz-Allis sticker, and throw it away. When they got traded in 1998, one had 9000 hours, and the other had 11000. The 9000 hour one had a new engine, (tractor sat in the field one night, and someone loosened the oil plug), and a rebuilt transmission, (but that is a whole other story). The 11000 hour tractor had a new rear end. I think this was do to the fact that this tractor had the dozer on it, and did a lot of work in the winter.
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Posted By: 427435
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2013 at 8:39pm
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Although I left in late 1984, there was no talk or plan to sell tractors to MF. Minneapolis Moline sold some to them, however, in (I think) the 60's.
------------- Mark B10 Allis, 917 Allis, 7116 Simplicity, 7790 Simplicity Diesel, GTH-L Simplicity Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not. |
Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2013 at 10:43pm
| Interesting Allen |
Posted By: ALLISMAN32
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2013 at 10:43pm
| Talked to dad earlier tonight and his blockman came and put on a few of the deutz decals and front grill emblem on tractors sitting on the lot but not on all of them. Dad still has the decals for the others, these tractors had been on the lot for several years the economy was crap and not a whole lot was moving. When deutz came into the picture their big tractor was 120 hp. Now we all know the american farmer and nobody was wanting to downsize a 7080, 7060,7045,8070,8050,8030 to a german green tractor . He also had ordered L4 Gleaners at the same time and after seeing one at lebanon canceled his order cause he thought they were an inferior and cheap built combine. He received his termination papers at the same time as Zaynard Layman at boswell Ind. and a dealer at Champaign Ill. of which he could not remember their name. He never did see or hear of any green factory 8000 series tractors up till his termination in 88. Maybe some dealers painted one green but in our neighborhood if it didnt have the A-C orange paint it didnt sell, bottom line! I do remember them painting some puke green lawnmowers to a orange hue to pacify customers. I also remember pulling some wagons to the elevator ( 7 miles) with a deutz green new tractor and the trans loosing every gear but low range on its first trip. Dad started at store dealing with drivetrain problems on 190 tractors and this seemed like a flashback to those days. Hard to be an excited individual that relied their sole livelyhood on a outdated hunk of crap that they had to sell as their main line. Honestly i doubt he missed them that bad, actually he's still there same building working on stuff everyday and deutz is?? Dad and i truly think if they had put their air cooled engine in 8000 series tractor maybe just maybe things would have been a bit different, but why dwell on the past when the future is right in front of us. As far as massey and A-C for companion tractors went who knows, dad never heard of and probably would not heard of any of those corporate deals. Go big Orange!!!!! |
Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2013 at 10:48pm
| That was interesting to Chris |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2013 at 3:43am
| A Deutz engine in the Orange tractors prolly wouldve worked good, instead of pushing the lil Green ones, although i ran a 6275 for 25 hrs and it was a pulling lil buger just so different frim the sweet Orange machines |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2013 at 6:08am
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I ran a 7085 and thought it was a nice tractor. The 7100 series weren't anything to brag about. There was a 190 hp Deutz tractor being built at that time but I don't think it was offered in the US. Had the typical German model designation like DX 1.90 or something like that. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: ryanschott
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2018 at 8:41pm
| My 1980 Allis Chalmers 185 was sold new on June 8 1984 they said they couldn’t give it away finally the original owner came in looking for a 6080 but got a deal on my 185 and a 4 bottom white plow for $15000 |