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Topic: The bulletproof Allis

Posted By: AllisFreak MN
Subject: The bulletproof Allis
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2010 at 7:51am

Here's another opinion poll: Of all the A-C's made throughout the years, which model is the most dependable & toughest of them all?

My vote would have to be the WD.

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'49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2

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Posted By: omahagreg
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2010 at 7:55am

WD

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Greg Kroeker
1950 WD with wide front and Freeman trip loader

Posted By: doc
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2010 at 7:58am

allis 6080

Posted By: thumb farmer
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2010 at 8:08am

we had wd45 &6060 I alwas thought the wd45 was as tough as they cam, but I put our 6060 FWA through alot she gets my vote. She has almost 11000 hrs. on her. I tipted it over in a road ditch ounce with the beet cart on her, pulled her out started her up and kept going the, J.D. guys we dig with coulden't believe it. the factory cab works real good.

Posted By: gary ny
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2010 at 8:12am

I think the wc, wd ,wd45 are hard to beat.That engine survived a long time and was easy to work on and very affordable to fix the ce engine was a very good engine there are still alot of wc's wd's wd45's and b'c and ca's around which speaks volumes about those two engines

Posted By: NC Bruce
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2010 at 8:23am

WD - WD45 probably oldest, with such popularity, and with the numbers produced, shows the AC Toughness. Many people have that tractor image/model in mind with AC... photos, posters, shirts.....

But Dad's old 1968 AC170D is on it's 4 tach, smoking....but cranked this cold week....12,000+hrs...most from the hard working Dairy and Silage years! It's been a Tough Tractor, very dependable, generally low maintenance costs all these years too!

Posted By: A&A MN
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2010 at 8:45am

WD by far.

Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2010 at 8:58am

+ 1 what NC Bruce said.

WD45 first place.

But,

My 1968 AC170 gas has 5600 hours on it and never been apart. It looks like it will outlast me.

Posted By: Donald Lee
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2010 at 9:04am

7040 p s harder we worked it better 7040 seemed to run

Posted By: Hudsonator
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2010 at 9:20am

A WC has to be the most durable, dependable, and breakproof Allis ever made.

Its the simplest tractor Allis ever made, there is not much to break. Allis had the fortune of developing probably the best engine in the history of its hp class and sticking it in the WC.

I've had more maintenance issues with the WD than the WC when working them hard. Mainly the hydraulics and hand clutch - WC's don't have those, hence no issues. LOL

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There isn't much a WC can't do.

WD's just do it better.

Posted By: LarryWC In
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2010 at 1:37pm

I haven't been at this a real long time, but I CAN tell my 1953 WD has had it's butt thourly kicked and still keeps on working!

My Vote,,,,,the WD

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www.allischalmersmuseum.com

Posted By: Donald A Smith
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2010 at 2:52pm

WD is the best

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Posted By: morton(pa)
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2010 at 3:06pm

B. Nothing you can't fix yourself, at least so far, for me! Only thing I've ever had to do to any of them is change tires, repair a rim, and add toys like implements and duel hydraulics! Although their was the fuel problem once that was operator error...I wasn't the operator at the time...LOL

Posted By: cwhit
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2010 at 3:41pm

My vote, D-17 IV..

Posted By: michaelwis
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2010 at 3:47pm

MY VOTE WOULD BE MY D 15 SERIES 2 ..NEVER LEFT THE FARM SINCE SHE WAS DROVE BY ME FROM THE DEALERS SHOP ..BRAND NEW .....

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Posted By: RSallis-pullinMD
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2010 at 5:03pm

D17 series III has been on our farm since new has done it all and still going strong was the biggest tractor on the farm when new, My dad has owned all kinds and driven all kinds and has JD's also but he will tell you real fast that the most reliable tractor he has ever been around has to be this D17!!!

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Posted By: Jeff(WD45-SATX-TN)
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2010 at 5:19pm

Have to be the WC WD and WD45s. All hard to beat in my opinion. They were designed with durability, simplicity, and reliability in mind. Such versatility in such a simple package. A little TLC for that old iron kept them running, as we can all atest..running a very long time! Many still going today. Wish machines of today were created in that way. We live in a throw away society. My 2 cents.

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Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2010 at 7:10pm

This is hardly a fair question. My 1936 WC is 39 years older than my 1975 7060 and it's still going, but by the time it was 30 years old (1966) it wasn't the main tractor on the farm, with no electrics or hydraulics it was only used for odd jobs till it finally ended up just setting (thankfully inside) replaced by tractors that were more powerful more comfortable and more convienient to use.

I'd argue that while my 7060 may or may not be around in 40 years, it is still a working tractor at age 35 and has plenty of life left. It has been overhauled once but otherwise it hasn't needed much done to it. She's certainly done more work than the WC ever did. Is it "tougher" I don't know.

A WD or WD45 are good little tractors, my Dad used to say "Dollar for dollar and pound for pound there isn't a better tractor than a WD45!". In my opinion a D17 is better. My series IV D17 is a much better than my WD or the 45. I'd like to add a 170 to my collection and who knows, I might like it better than the series IV.

My 8050 powershift FWA (my favorite) is the pinacle of AC farm tractors, (in my opinion) it's much more complex than any earlier models but it's been reliable and so far it has stood up to the test of time pretty well. It looks good and performs very well for a 26 year old tractor.

Posted By: AndyinWI
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2010 at 7:41pm

D-17 for sure

Posted By: Bill Long
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2010 at 7:52pm

You know, I have to agree with all the above - except for the number tractors and others I did not sell. The WC is probably the most durable tractor Allis Chalmers made. Simple yet durable.

That is also true of my favorate, the B. Simple yet durable.

Two of the - in my opinion - must durable tractors made by Allis Chalmers. In fact, those two units along with the All Crop Harvestor made Allis Chalmers.

Good Luck!

Bill Long

Posted By: Cal
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2010 at 9:43pm

I would say the "B" tough as can be and so dependable will outwork others twice its size. Cal in Ct.

Posted By: Ken(Bell.Wa)
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2010 at 10:12pm

160 is the toughest tractor I have ever used, will start in any weather and is very easy to manuver. I have used it on our dairy for 25 years, very little repairs. I hate to say this but our 190XT was the bigest piece of junk I ever owned, engine was great but spent more time fixing the rest of it than we spent using it.

Posted By: Pat the Plumber CIL
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2010 at 10:46pm

WD45

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You only need to know 3 things to be a plumber;Crap rolls down hill,Hot is on the left and Don't bite your fingernails

1964 D-17 SIV 3 Pt.WF,1964 D-15 Ser II 3pt.WF ,1960 D-17 SI NF,1956 WD 45 WF.

Posted By: AndrewGubbels
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2010 at 11:10pm

We have had good luck with all of them really. Our 190xts really have been good to us. They have always had more power then they should also. The wd45 always starts and gets the job done also. They have all been good! I like them all! Different tractors even of the same model can have issues. One wd will go for tons of hours and the next might have a few breakdowns. So they are all good!

Andrew

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Posted By: Andrew(southernIL)
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2010 at 7:30am

Of the ones we own the 175d has been very tough even survived an electrical fire and a fire on top of the engine do to lack of cleaning and overheating cause of no temp gauge but still haven't had to touch the engine mechanically. But have been told by a couple who have had them that the 7045 pd was the toughest of all the 7000 series and allis in general.

Posted By: ScottinSWIL
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2010 at 12:58pm

It would be interesting if the ole WD's would of had hour meters. Hard to say how many hours some of those racked up back in the day of plowing every acre.

Posted By: LionelinKY
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2010 at 2:53pm

I have said the same thing many times to Dad about the hour meters and how neat it would be to see how many hours the old girls actually had on them. His reply has always been the same. He is thankful they don't because he still feels all those hours and doesn't need to be reminded whenever he sits on their seats.LOL

Posted By: Dave King
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2010 at 7:24pm

Dad's 7040 was as tough as any tractor I've ever seen, but I've never been around any AC older than a 190.

Posted By: Nick So. IN.
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2010 at 12:14am

We have the d series and a 7050, i have run many other tractors, seems like I always turn the the 17 IV with loader to get the job done, or the 1066, If the TA worked IH would have it made today.

Posted By: Pete from IL
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2010 at 8:10am

The D-17 series III has been the most reliable tractor on our farm. I drove this tractor the first time when I was 7 years old. (I'm 47 now) When it was newer we did tillage work with it. Then planting, Then raking and baling. Now we use it for loading bales with a Hoelsher bale fork. Loaded about 15000 bales in 2009. It was overhauled 10 years ago and almost no problems since.

Posted By: AllisFreak MN
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2010 at 9:09am

Did my best to tally the votes so far, Here goes:
B = 4 votes      160 = 1
C = 1            190XT = 1
CA = 1           6060 = 1
WC = 5           6080 = 1
WD = 9           7040 = 2
WD45 = 7        7045 = 1
D17 = 6          7060 = 1
D15 = 1          8050 = 1
170 = 2
175 = 1

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'49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2

Posted By: ac_bowsers
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2010 at 10:55am

My vote for me is the Original series I D17. Our family had purchased a wide front new in 57 and a slightly used 58 row crop model in 60. Both of them were the MAIN horses for 200 acres. We also had a 42 WC helping out too, but the 17's did most of the work, chopped silage, filled silo with long hopper AC belt driven blower, baled, plowed, disc, hauled ear corn loads, hauled beans to elevator, ground feed. Both were ballasted and had duals at one time, had snap coupler implements for both. One engine overhaul on each 17, never had and trans,power director, or hydraulic problem on either tractor. They were the true big horses on the farm until dad bought a new 200 when they came out. They wide front still gets used today for some stuff, and the row crop is our pulling tractor now. I think the D17 should be number one from the years of 57-67. Number two should be the 180, number three should be the 7045, thats how I would ranked them according to age and when the tractor was available and compared to competitors.

Posted By: Eric[IL]
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2010 at 3:04am

79' 7060 PD gets my 1st vote. It is a beast. It not only pulls good, it is just fun to operate. It does all the heavy work - 5 shank Unverferth zone builder, 6-18 AC 2000 plow, & 24' AC 1300 field cultivator. This last fall, I pulled 4 gravity wagons at once, to the elevator with it. Scaled just short of 900 bu of soybeans. AC170 gas with AC500 loader probably gets 2nd vote & is used more for many odd jobs. It starts up great in the cold. Both good tractors. Come to think of it, I have never ran a bad Allis Tractor.

Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2010 at 5:52am

WC then WD. Was at an Allis featured show about 10 or more years ago in Racine MN and a former AC man was giving a presentation on some of his history with Allis. He worked in the tractor engineering department back in the late 60's and 70's out in the field. He claimed the most bullet proof tractor they had put out was the 220 and 210. He grew up on Deere and still farmed with Deere but that was his take on it.

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Posted By: Kip-Utah
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2010 at 11:33am

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Posted By: Kip-Utah
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2010 at 11:42am

WC for me! Look at the horsepower that pullers consistently put through essentially stock WC powertrains on a model that originated in 1933! Also the 4x4 overhead valve, 1300 rpm 201 cid engine eventually evolved into the indestructible 226 cubic incher, that was used all the way up to the 175 at 2000 rpms and about 60 hp!! However...on a work/dollar or work/horse-power basis it would have to be the WD45. Kip

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HANSEN'S OLD ORANGE IRON. Showing, Pulling, & Going!!

Posted By: Ken(MI)
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2010 at 11:49am

My vote goes to the B, that has to be the most overworked tractor of all time, and they just kept coming back for more. Second place, in my opinion, goes to the WC.

Posted By: ac crazy
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2010 at 2:11pm

my vote is the c i haven't had any issues with engine or trans at all.

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Posted By: Gary in da UP
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2010 at 5:21pm

Any Allis tractor from 1935 to 1965 would be a contender, with proper care and operation . I think those were the golden years for AC.

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Posted By: LARRY W
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2010 at 9:10pm

D 21 fantastic tractor never broke still going today Chris when you read this i am still waiting to buy it back

Posted By: AllisFreak MN
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2010 at 7:56am

WD has the most votes so far with 9. WD45, WC, D17, are tied for 2nd with 7 votes each, model B has 5.

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'49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2

Posted By: Spud
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2010 at 11:11am

Eric, did you run through hills with 4 wagons? Sounds dangerous to me. I pulled 3 wagons of round bales once and just about got pushed off the road going down hill so don't push it anymore.

Posted By: Mike NEIN
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2010 at 8:21pm

My neighbor has 2 D-17's and a 180 gas and he said he overhauls them at 10000 hrs.And they have all been overhauled 3 times weather they needed it or not. It's the only tractor I've seen the clutch pedal wear in too. So I'd say all orange is tough. But I would put my old 210 up against anything out there.

Posted By: acd21man
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 7:51pm

all ac's are the best but if i had to pick the 220

Posted By: Joe(OH)
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 9:38pm

My vote would be the D-17. We have one on the farm, been here since she was new. Great tractor.

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