Value of very rough non running 220 FWA
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Topic: Value of very rough non running 220 FWA
Posted By: mm1468
Subject: Value of very rough non running 220 FWA
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 9:41pm
This old 220 fwa has been sitting on a washington farm for many years. It is very very rough and would need a donor 2 wd tractor to bring it back to life. It looks like they are somewhat rare. I want to make the guy a offer to buy it but not sure what its worth. Any advice is appriciated.
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Posted By: Don(MI)
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 9:45pm
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Rare? You bet it is. You have a diamond in the rough sittin there.....have no clue on value. Look at the front weights on that thing!!! Wow! ------------- Galatians 5:22-24 "I got a pig at home in a pen and corn to feed him on, All I need is a pretty little girl to feed him when I'm gone!" |
Posted By: mm1468
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 9:51pm
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It is very sandy soil out here so we have to hang a bunch of weights on tractors. The front and rear tires have fluid in them also. |
Posted By: acben20
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 9:54pm
| I sent you a pm I would love to own this tractor. Call me at 1-507-461-2678 thanks Ben. |
Posted By: mm1468
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 9:59pm
| I looked for the serial number on bell housing but could not locate the tag. It has been heavily vandalized over the years. My son thinks he would like to buy it and restore it for the National Delo FFA tractor restoration contest. |
Posted By: Don(MI)
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 10:01pm
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I think there was only 100 FWA versions built right? Would be a very nice FFA tractor ------------- Galatians 5:22-24 "I got a pig at home in a pen and corn to feed him on, All I need is a pretty little girl to feed him when I'm gone!" |
Posted By: acben20
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 10:01pm
| That is a good idea I would say its worth around 10 thousand as is. |
Posted By: houchens
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 10:03pm
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Rare? Very. Look for dpower, he has a couple of these, and might have some idea of what they're worth. He posts on here often, just search in the search bar and send him a pm. Chances are he may see this thread and post anyhow. You should definitely try to get it; it's a diamond even in the shape it's in now. Would love to own it! Good luck. ------------- 8050 200 7010 185x2 D17-IV D15IIx2 D14 WD45 Deutz Allis 6260 Gleaner Kx2 Gleaner K2 Diesel 2300 discx2 600 and 333 planters 2 AC wagons several AC plows/chisels Rotobalerx2 Other Misc AC Equipment |
Posted By: Don(MI)
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 10:16pm
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I will put it this way..... To me.....that would be almost as good OR as good as finding a 6-12 tractor that had been tucked away in an old barn for years. That kind of tractor does not show up every day, week, month, or even years. ------------- Galatians 5:22-24 "I got a pig at home in a pen and corn to feed him on, All I need is a pretty little girl to feed him when I'm gone!" |
Posted By: mm1468
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 10:19pm
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Posted By: firecowallis
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 10:24pm
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id pay 10k for it what a great find ------------- allis g 7045 200 wd45 wd45d c ca 6080 u |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 10:29pm
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Offer $5,000, you never know. It doesn't seem like the owner puts much value on it, considering it's condition.
------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: mm1468
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 10:40pm
| He used it years ago and the year he made a bunch of money with potatoes one year and he went out and bought new case tractors. The tractor never got used after that. That is the old Allis potato digger in the back graound of the first pic. Over the years the sand has blown up around it and people have vandalized it because not many people are out around where it is parked. He brought the tractor with him when he moved into the area from Southern Oregon. |
Posted By: rtwfarm
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 10:44pm
| I would love to own it. Have cash and love to travel. |
Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 10:59pm
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Looks like the taters beat it up pretty bad.....offer him $500 for it just to get it off his land..... ------------- ALLIS EXPRESS! This year: |
Posted By: houchens
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 11:19pm
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If he doesn't know how rare it is, you may get a heck of a deal! ------------- 8050 200 7010 185x2 D17-IV D15IIx2 D14 WD45 Deutz Allis 6260 Gleaner Kx2 Gleaner K2 Diesel 2300 discx2 600 and 333 planters 2 AC wagons several AC plows/chisels Rotobalerx2 Other Misc AC Equipment |
Posted By: mm1468
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 11:24pm
| i am sure he does not know it is that rare. i think it means more to him because he has kept it around since that is the tractor he started with way back in the mid 70's. it might be hard to get it bought from him because of that. i guess all he can say is not for sale right? |
Posted By: houchens
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 11:30pm
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Exactly right. But explain to him what you want to do with the machine; that you want to restore it, bring it back to showroom condition. If he truly cares about the tractor and its future, he should consider selling it to someone who's going to appreciate it and take care of it. Obviously he doesn't think enough of it to keep it safe, or sheltered; and doesn't intend to fix it. An AC enthusiast definitely deserves to own it. If you think you want this tractor, I wouldn't let ANYONE know who the owner is or where the tractor is; a competing buyer could be your worst enemy. Likewise though, if you decide you don't want the tractor, it'd be a shame not to let someone who could save this tractor not know of its whereabouts. I say go for it, try your best to save it. It would be a jewel in your collection and bring a deserving tractor back to the condition that it should be in. A tractor this rare doesn't need to be sitting around rusting and being vandalized; not when we all know how special it is. Hope to hear soon that you've bought it and are restoring it. Keep us posted, PLEASE! -Andrew ------------- 8050 200 7010 185x2 D17-IV D15IIx2 D14 WD45 Deutz Allis 6260 Gleaner Kx2 Gleaner K2 Diesel 2300 discx2 600 and 333 planters 2 AC wagons several AC plows/chisels Rotobalerx2 Other Misc AC Equipment |
Posted By: mm1468
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 11:41pm
| thank you so much for the info. i will sure post if my son can get it purchased. i have had quite a few people email me tonight wanting to buy the tractor. if my son decides not to buy it and if the owner will consider selling it then i will offer it to the people that have been emailing me on it. i am trying to talk to my son into doing a 3020 powershift front wheel assist instead of the 220. he says he thinks the 220 would be a nicer tractor when restored. |
Posted By: catfish_447
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 11:42pm
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I can hear the trucks starting now and racing to the northwest to scour the country side looking for that gem!! I hope you or someone gets it and brings it back to life! ------------- '53 WD, '35 WC At some point in your life you will need a doctor, lawyer or possibly a politician. But for every day of your life, three meals a day, you will need a farmer. |
Posted By: dpower
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 11:42pm
| Whats weird is i had a guy named mike send me pictures of this same tractor with the potatoe digger story like 4 years ago. Supposedly it had been sitting there since 1974?? He told me that the owner never will put a price on it. This mike guy worked for a heavy equipment company and i am not sure how he got my email. There was one up in west that was missing the front gears brought like 14,000 a few years ago. I am sure the price has gone up since then. In 2006 i paid 19,500 for mine which is in very good shape with a 3 point. Would be great if you could buy it and save it. Poor old thing could use some TLC. |
Posted By: dpower
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 11:49pm
This is mine that i bought in 2006
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Posted By: houchens
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 11:50pm
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Let the boy do the AC. It's a super rare tractor, and unique. How many JD's are you going to see as compared to Orange ones? It'd be such a great project, and bring a TRULY rare tractor back to life. You're probably not ever going to have another opportunity to buy one of these; get it if you can. Take care, brother! ------------- 8050 200 7010 185x2 D17-IV D15IIx2 D14 WD45 Deutz Allis 6260 Gleaner Kx2 Gleaner K2 Diesel 2300 discx2 600 and 333 planters 2 AC wagons several AC plows/chisels Rotobalerx2 Other Misc AC Equipment |
Posted By: houchens
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 11:51pm
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dpower, knew you'd be the man to ask! ------------- 8050 200 7010 185x2 D17-IV D15IIx2 D14 WD45 Deutz Allis 6260 Gleaner Kx2 Gleaner K2 Diesel 2300 discx2 600 and 333 planters 2 AC wagons several AC plows/chisels Rotobalerx2 Other Misc AC Equipment |
Posted By: dpower
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 11:53pm
| LOL thanks even though i am not sure what they are worth. Wilke tractors had one listed for 45,000 on their website with the wrong engine in it and its no longer for sale on their website. I believe they will only go up in price and to think my brother told me not to get mine LOL |
Posted By: dpower
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 11:55pm
My brother's 
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Posted By: houchens
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 11:58pm
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dpower - Y'all truly have an amazing collection; I can't find words for it! Certainly enjoyed the pictures a few weeks ago! ------------- 8050 200 7010 185x2 D17-IV D15IIx2 D14 WD45 Deutz Allis 6260 Gleaner Kx2 Gleaner K2 Diesel 2300 discx2 600 and 333 planters 2 AC wagons several AC plows/chisels Rotobalerx2 Other Misc AC Equipment |
Posted By: dpower
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 12:02am
| Thanks if you ever get up to nebraska let me know you can sure drive and look at them. |
Posted By: macvette
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 3:32am
| Holy Cow DPower - How many of us will you extend that invitation to? I bet there are a lot of us that have one or two AC tractors that would be lining up for that! |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 5:08am
| Im pretty sure that ones been here before, it couldnt be bought then, who knos maybe it can now, itd take a bunch of work but well worth it! I thought the owner found out its value, , ?? |
Posted By: cornbinder
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 5:55am
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it's value and what it could possibly take to buy could very well be very different............ ------------- D-19 gas w/f-sold 185-d yr round cab 95 mustang gt 5.0 86 mustang 5.0 coupe 3 99 f-250 7.3 4x4's 96 f-250 7.3 4x4 |
Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 6:58am
| Is there a S.N. range that the 220FWA would have only been made in? Did they crank out all 100 back to back? Is there also a location that they ended up in or did they go all over the country? |
Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 7:00am
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I would LOVE to add one to my collection, but I need to add a D21 to make my D series Collection complete.
Out of my price range anyway ------------- Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity" 1968 D15D,1962 D19D Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start |
Posted By: Jim in MO
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 7:18am
| they made 75 and sold the 25 went to 2 wheel dr jim in Mo. |
Posted By: Brian F(IL)
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 7:24am
| I know at least two of them went through my Dad's dealership in Onarga, IL back in the '70's. |
Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 7:55am
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It's my understanding that 100 220 MFD's were built and about 20 were returned and converted back to 2 wd. ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: TerryMN
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 8:22am
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Where are we getting that any of the 100 220 fwa were converted back to 2wd? Just asking, is it in one of the allis books. I don't remeber ever reading it. Maybe someone could quote the section and what book that information came out of. I think you guys are thinking of the test D21s with Hyd fwa. To my knowledge none of the 220 fwa where converted to 2wd at the allis factory. Please correct with facts from a source if I am wrong. Thanks |
Posted By: ACFarmer
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 9:05am
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I'd give 10 grand for it and be in the truck from Ohio to get it in a heartbeat. ------------- Making A living everyday farming with and working on Allis Equipment |
Posted By: Mike_426
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 10:29am
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Couldn't have been parked before the late eighties with those short bar long bar tires on the front ------------- G, 200, 8050 mfd, D17, 195 chainsaw, c-wide front |
Posted By: LRWSPWI
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 10:38am
Someone should try to save her before more parts are gone, or mother nature ends up winning. Sad to see her sitting like that.
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Posted By: GM Guy
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 12:19pm
| try and get the Serial number, dad has been keeping track of the 220 FWA serial numbers. so far no consecutive ones, but then again, the list is small, just the ones he knows of himself. |
Posted By: mm1468
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 12:38pm
| Where is the ser num tag? The only one I can find is on the engine block. |
Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 1:37pm
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I looked up what is listed here and found 10-220FWA. 3 without S.N. S.N. & Year 1916-1969 2234-1970 2283-1970 2286-1970 2384-1970 2389-1970 2408-1970
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Posted By: Rfdeere
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 2:11pm
The very first 220 FWA was serial # 2223 built on June 3, 1970. All 100 220 FWA were built in 1970. ------------- Randy Freshour,Member Indiana AC Partners, http://www.rumelyallis.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.rumelyallis.com |
Unit3 wrote:Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 2:20pm
------------- ALLIS EXPRESS! This year: |
Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 2:22pm
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Did all the operators manuals have the 4wd section at the back?? ------------- ALLIS EXPRESS! This year: |
Posted By: mm1468
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 2:53pm
| How many of the 100 does your dad have ser numbers for? Are they all over US and Canada? |
Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 5:01pm
| Not to discourage your son on an allis project but working on the john deere would be like working on a small block chevy, tons of parts available, but with the allis restoration parts may be harder to find. But I do hope that this tractor goes to a good home that can restore it, wether it be you or others, looks like the hood laying on the ground in the one pic. Would be nice if most of it was there. |
Posted By: JayIN
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 5:31pm
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It SHOULD be able to be able to be bought for 5000 or less. This is just neglect; plain and simple. I agree that it is worth 10000, but this Guy that owns it now doesn't deserve it. All he did was run it in the ground. I agree within the short bar/long bar tires. Good call !!!!! Restoring a JD is a cop out. TOO EASY! ------------- sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?" |
Posted By: AMB(wcIL)
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 9:49pm
| Looks like a good a good start to one, go for it. I have a sales brochure for the 220 fwa tractor and on the cover the tractor has the starter weight and 6 little weights. The brochure says the front end weight is 7,400# rear end weight is 12,600# with duals and ballast. Front tire size is 14.9x24 rear 18.4x38. PTO horsepower 135. The fine print at the bottom says (This tractor is not for sale in the State of Nebraska) Andy |
Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 10:00pm
The owners manual devotes a whole page to show all the different weighting possibilities to keep the proper front to rear weight ratio which they stress is very important for tire life. The most front weight they list is the starter weight and 6 smaller weights. Guess this guy didn't read his manual! ------------- ALLIS EXPRESS! This year: |
Posted By: D-17_Dave
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 10:03pm
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Bigger question I have is why wasn't it availiable in Nebraska? ------------- Yea, I can fix that..... |
Posted By: AMB(wcIL)
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 10:04pm
| Yep, sounds that way! Andy |
Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 10:05pm
------------- ALLIS EXPRESS! This year: |
Posted By: AMB(wcIL)
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 10:05pm
| It wasn't tested at the Nebraska test would be my guess. Andy |
Posted By: Matt MN
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 10:30pm
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My opinion on a price for it would be. It is in tough shape but appears to have all the Key FWD parts. Yes it is going to take a good running 2wd 220 as a doner to be able to complete easily, It is going to take a lot of time to complete the restoration. so figure $10,000 for a doner 220, about another $10,000 for the restoration, and from what I have seen in 2012 prices on these tractors a good restored one should be worth $35,000 to $40,000 so as it sits there it should be worth $10,000 to $15,000. Remember these tractors are a limited build tractor and are holding there value well. ------------- Unless your are the lead horse the scenery never changes!! |
Posted By: 427435
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 10:33pm
Correct. It was an expensive proposition to test a tractor at Nebraska. ------------- Mark B10 Allis, 917 Allis, 7116 Simplicity, 7790 Simplicity Diesel, GTH-L Simplicity Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not. |
Posted By: CALEBnOK
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 11:01pm
| The reason your having a hard time finding the serial # is because it looks as if that brand of cab conceals it from easy viewing. Look right under the left front corner of cab behind the front brace |
Posted By: mm1468
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 11:50pm
| that is where the batt goes. next time i am out where the tractor is i will stop by and see if i can find it. is is on a silver tag with rivits or is it stamped into a flat casting? thanks |
Posted By: houchens
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 12:40am
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It will be stamped into the casting. ------------- 8050 200 7010 185x2 D17-IV D15IIx2 D14 WD45 Deutz Allis 6260 Gleaner Kx2 Gleaner K2 Diesel 2300 discx2 600 and 333 planters 2 AC wagons several AC plows/chisels Rotobalerx2 Other Misc AC Equipment |
Posted By: DarrylinWA
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 7:55am
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Well, I will chip in. My friend Bob Vanderploeg went and looked at this tractor 10 years ago and offererd to buy the whole thing and can drive to the place when it was in OR. Owner said no. I know another forem member who has emails about this tractor from about 6 years ago on this also. A few of us AC guys got together for lunch yesterday and were discussing this. If it is in WA state now, it must have happened in the last 5 to 6 years. Looks like it has been sitting for along time. Notice the turbo is off. This tractor has been getting vandalized big time in the last few years from when my friends were getting photos of it and when they say the thing. From what I know, yes they made 100 FWA 220 tractors. Yes 20 were converted back at the factory to 2 wheeel drive. My friend Bob has a factory 220 2 wheel drive with a drop box on it in his AC bone yard. Was this way when he got it and was always a 2 wheel drive and that was his story also with the reaserch he has done. Larry Karg had the same info on this. Good luck with the tractor. We will have 3 to 5 FWA 220 tractors at the 2013 GOTO here in Lynden WA. Also 3 4W220 tractors here. Including serial number 1017, 1084 KevininWA tractor and mine 1085.  . Take care, Darryl Krause Lynden WA. ------------- B 10 Custom. Serial # 1001 D21, First D21 built 69 #4498 and Last D 21 Built #4609. 1946 MM UTU. And 2000, 2005 Pete's. AC custom Hauling. |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 8:15am
| Darryl, kind of cool that yours and Kevin's 4W220 serial numbers are consecutive. Darrel |
Posted By: bdallman
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 8:45am
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I know of a guy in Garwin Iowa that has a 220 fwa and also a 4w220 His name is kirk Wilton he has a bin site on the south edge of town. I don't think he wants to sell. But if some of you are keeping track of serial numbers I can get that from him. ------------- 1954 CA, 1952 WD with Freeman Loader,1955 WD45, 1963 D19 Gas, 1984 620H, 1980’s AC Forklift, 66 All Crop Harvester, White Top Roto Baler, Misc S.C. Equip and AC Collectibles. |
Posted By: allis4ever
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 9:01am
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Welton lol. And it is not for sale as you stated. If memory serves me it is serial number 2443. Dad sold the 4w220 this fall to a guy over by marshalltown. Two other 4w220's in the area. One just got sold and is heading to Green Bay and another that I suspect is staying right where it is. On a Side note if anyone knows where I could get a identical front rim for my 220fwa I would appreciate it. Have one that is a little rotten around the valve stem and would rather replace than try to weld it up someday. |
Posted By: bdallman
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 10:16am
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Sorry for incorrect spelling kirk! I need to swing by sometime and see how everything is. I know they updated your gates and bin fill on your site. Your 4w220 was a very nice tractor. Can't wait to see the 220 fixed up! Brett ------------- 1954 CA, 1952 WD with Freeman Loader,1955 WD45, 1963 D19 Gas, 1984 620H, 1980’s AC Forklift, 66 All Crop Harvester, White Top Roto Baler, Misc S.C. Equip and AC Collectibles. |
Posted By: dpower
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 12:09pm
| Earliest serial number i have seen in person is 2227. |
Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 2:51pm
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Here are just a few of my thoughts on this tractor. Personally I don't see the need for a donor tractor, while I cannot see the other side of her, the only thing that appears to be missing mechanically is the turbo, and probably the oil cooler. The front grill may be gone, or it may be in the weeds like the hood. This tractor may have been vandalized, but that appears to me to have been limited to the cab. The front of the tractor was "disassembled" probably has something to do with the missing turbo, which may indicate engine troubles. Non of which should keep a guy from trying to buy it, but something is fishy here, and I don't want to call anybody a lier so I will keep it to myself for now. What I really want to know about is the potato digger, that is an Allis also????? Never knew they made one, never have ever really cared, but it is something most of us have never seen either, have any more information about that? ------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 4:23pm
| I believe the potatoe diggers in the AC story book by CH Wendel |
Posted By: AlVee
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 6:42pm
| I also see the injector lines are laying on the front weights pump is probably gone and injectors are probably open or gone too so hence water in the motor. but still a good start to a front assist 220 i would defiantly twist the guys arm to get it bought. i might even go as high as $15,000 |
Posted By: mm1468
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 9:40pm
| what would be some other rare allis tractors that we could look for that he could restore for the contest? thanks |
Posted By: Don(MI)
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 9:51pm
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Depends on what caliber of rare tractor you want. You started on the high side of rare with that one. From other posters it sounds like this one has been known about and pursued in the past....or even changed locations? Have you been back there again? What do you know about the history of this one? ------------- Galatians 5:22-24 "I got a pig at home in a pen and corn to feed him on, All I need is a pretty little girl to feed him when I'm gone!" |
Posted By: acwdwcman
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 9:58pm
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i think that you should at least see if this guy will sell it to you. tell him what it is for. (this can be a big determining factor.) and if you can't get he tractor then try to find another rare tractor. for another tractor that is not as rare as this but would still be close to a winner with the judges would be a 20 35 allis. it is a really old one, but i don't know if your are looking for something this old or looking for a tractor form the 60's and 70's. just my $0.02 ------------- wd with a freeman model 90 trip loader, wd45, 38 unstylled wc, b 10 garden tractor and 2-14 ac trip plow. grandpa has a 56 wd45. wd. allis chalmers snap coupler blade and 3 bottom snap coupler plow |
Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 10:12pm
Well I have one that is even more rare than the 220 FWA.....an IB Crane tractor as shown in Norm Swinford's Construction Machinery and Industrial Equipment book on page 248. I have never seen another like it and no one else has come up with another picture of one. It would be an easy restore.....and it is located here in Washington! It is for sale.....  ------------- ALLIS EXPRESS! This year: |
Posted By: Rfdeere
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 11:15pm
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I have been thinking about this. If there were 100 Model 220 FWA's built and 50 have survived, are they really that rare per say ? Yes, I will completely agree that they are a very highly sought, scarce tractor. But there are sure alot of them out there compared to how many were built. ------------- Randy Freshour,Member Indiana AC Partners, http://www.rumelyallis.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.rumelyallis.com |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 7:56am
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I would love to see this 220 FWA go up on the Auction Block in the Mid West area .Then we would find out on that given day what it would be WORTH to the HIGHEST BIDDER !!!!
Just a thought .
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Posted By: Gary(WI)
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 8:05am
| Does not matter on how rare it is It matters how many people want one If there is 50 and 1000 people want one It gonna be expensive Ther could be 50 and 10 people want them and they are not going to cost that much Just my opinion Gary |
Posted By: AC200Puller
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 10:30am
| I agree Gary supply and demand sets the price. |
Posted By: RichinWis
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 10:37am
| I saw one of those sell in northern Ohio about 10 years ago, and even if I wanted it I would not have been able to. Thats why it is nice to have friends to visit that have one. |
Posted By: 220allis
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 10:45am
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I guess I will say what I think 20k maybe 25 would be fair but if u want one 30 we have owed 4 still have 3 of them bid on worse yellow one also in WA state was last bid before it went to Indiana as steted had no ring gear or carrier in front axle but since we had one 220 fwa on the trailer we passed on that one six years ago they have gone up sine 2003 five thousand per year If the ones advertised for 45 k sold for that I personally know a lot of these tractors survive most people who have them don't want to be hassled by people who want to buy them at low ball prices so they are in the sheds hid away from jockeys and the like who bombard farm papers with ads for fwa tractors just our experience from buying ours over the last few years one last thing our salvage yard has tin and engine parts stacked up like cord wood from all the 220s killed in the late 80s so I think donor pats do not need to come from another killed 220 sorry for the rant |
Posted By: Henry se/k!
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 1:46pm
| I'am with Eldon. What makes this tractor so high priced. Only built 70 some D-19 high crops.and I know of 25 that are left. Not worth near that kind of money. How come so many people want this tractor that would cost many bucks to restore??? |
Posted By: oregontrailbeans
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 2:11pm
| Was this the 220 that was sitting near Irrigon close the the Army Ammunition Depot? |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 2:31pm
| Im with Fred, like to see it go up for auction , the fun would begin |
Posted By: Nate (OH)
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 3:36pm
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Posted By: BiG210
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 3:41pm
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I hope your son is the one to get it and restore it for the FFA contest and that everyone one on this sit mite help him in any way to restore it good luck. what a great find
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Posted By: TerrySWIA
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 3:42pm
| What dictates a lot of the price in the collector market is ego. Rarity doesn't always play in the price factor. The 220 was the biggest & baddest that Allis had to offer at the time. It was also the only one offered with FWA option. The high crops was an option on several models, although equally as rare. Whatever you collect, usually the more horsepower, the more money. Almost always a V8 will bring more than a strait 6 in collector cars, no matter how rare. |
Posted By: Glockhead SWMI
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2013 at 12:38pm
| Anyone contact the owner on this yet? |
Posted By: mm1468
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2013 at 12:48pm
| I talked to owner and he said that he does not want to sell it since it is the first tractor he ever bought new. He appreciated my sons interest in it but the had a lot of sentimental value to he and his dad. He said he has been wanting to get it moved to their shop for years but just hasn't got to it. I will keep my eye on it though. |
Posted By: Glockhead SWMI
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2013 at 1:39pm
| I dont want to sound to negative but I hate owners like that. It sure looks like it means a lot to him.... just a hint of sarcasm.... |
Posted By: TerryMN
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2013 at 3:53pm
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I have found in life a big ole bucket of banded $100 bills right in the guys face cures a lot of sentimemtal value. You just have to be willing to part with the big ole bucket of money.
Roger Welsch once had a test to see if you were fit to be a tractor collector. He said you find your self a bushel basket. Drive to your bank have them fill it with money lots of money. Then drive to the highest spot you know of on a windy day. Throw the basket in the air several times till all of the money blew away. If this did not bother you at all; you will make a great tractor collector.
Terry
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Posted By: JayIN
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2013 at 4:02pm
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AMEN, BROTHER! ------------- sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?" |
Posted By: ToddSin NY
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2013 at 4:43pm
| Did they use the same front axle as Oliver? The front axle looks alot like the one on dads 2255. |
Posted By: Don(MI)
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2013 at 5:12pm
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HA!! good one terry ------------- Galatians 5:22-24 "I got a pig at home in a pen and corn to feed him on, All I need is a pretty little girl to feed him when I'm gone!" |
Posted By: 427435
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2013 at 5:27pm
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You might want to work the sentiment side by suggesting how nice the tractor would look once your son restored it.
------------- Mark B10 Allis, 917 Allis, 7116 Simplicity, 7790 Simplicity Diesel, GTH-L Simplicity Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not. |
Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2013 at 7:47pm
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Talk about paying the price for ego. I went to an auction around 1990 and there was a like new seat back with the spring for a WC on a rack wagon that I thought I'd bid on.
The auctioneer got to the rack and the story was that the farmer got a new WC and took off the seat back and hung it up in the lean to on the corn crib and it had been there high and dry untill it was taken down and put out to sell.
Well I started the bidding at $20 and it was just me and another fellow boom, boom, boom quickly to $50 when I figured if he was that determined he could have it. Well going once, going twice when another guy started bidding.
It brought $180. According to the neighbors the guy that showed up a few minutes late (and won the bid) owned the tractor that the seat came off of. The other guy bidding was a family member and they some kind of grudge going, and he didn't even own a tractor. ------------- AGCO My Allis Gleaner Company |
Posted By: mm1468
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2013 at 8:38pm
| He know how to get ahold of me if he changes his mind. I doubt he will though. He has had 20 people try and buy this tractor over the years he said. He is aware of its value even in its condition. He is a very sucessfull farmer and does not need the money. I will be seeing him at some meetings at the end of the month. Maybe after some time to ponder the idea of it getting restored he will re consider..... |
Posted By: allis4ever
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2013 at 10:34pm
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Don't know what Oliver used for axles but these have Rockwell ones in them. Parts widely available new. Just bring along that bushel basket of cash depending on what you need. Lol |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2013 at 11:36pm
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Sentimental Value of this unit PRICELESS , I respect the Owner for that !!!!!
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Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2013 at 3:30am
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Glock, "sound to negative but I hate owners like that", You would hate me too if I had that 220 sitting here... LOL
It kind of sucks to see some fellow that has something that you want and he doesn't do anything with it, but it is not yours, it is his to do with as he pleases. ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: Glockhead SWMI
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2013 at 9:36am
| Yeah, if that 220 was any of ours, it would at least be getting preserved. Hes just letting it rot. What a shame. Obviously doesnt mean that much to him. He just doesnt want anyone else to have it. Thats his choice. I just dont agree with it. |
Posted By: GM Guy
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2013 at 9:58am
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oliver had Clark at least for the 00 and 50 series, pretty certain for the 55 series too. that spilled over to the 2-105. the 135 and 155 whites had a French built axle that was expensive as hell to rebuild. thats a shame about the 220. ours is sitting out too, but there is a tight can over the exhaust, and the antifreeze leaking into the water problem was solved by draining the radiator. we really need to do something with the old girl, I think a out of frame major and leave her all original for now. (dad is too cheap for a full resto)
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