Can't Decide D-17 vs. 170
Printed From: Unofficial Allis
Category: Allis Chalmers
Forum Name: Farm Equipment
Forum Description: everything about Allis-Chalmers farm equipment
URL: https://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53976
Printed Date: 28 Sep 2024 at 6:42pm
Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 11.10 - http://www.webwizforums.com
Topic: Can't Decide D-17 vs. 170
Posted By: PlayGun
Subject: Can't Decide D-17 vs. 170
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2012 at 11:59pm
|
Ok guys I have got it down to 2 possibly three tractors with your help. I am either going with the D-17, 170 or a 165 Massey( only if it falls in my lap). I know the 170 is a newer more advanced tractor, and someone said that the 170 had a live PTO and the D-17 didn't. But here is the kicker, please no one be offended, I think the D-17 is a MUCH better looking tractor personally. i think it just has better lines, and just has a better look, the 170 to me is just square. Now I also think the 170 is a great looking tractor, but not next to the D-17. I am so confused, a buddy just found me a 170 down the road a Richie tractor, and it seems to be a good tractor, but I think I want the D-17, idk help me out guys, gimme your thoughts, D-17 VS. 170? ------------- Hopefully Future AC Man! Ride With Jesus my friends! Lonas |
Replies:
Posted By: OrangePowerFranzen
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 12:14am
| i like the power director on the d17and i think that its more comfortable, idk what your planning on using the tractor for but i almost bet it will work and do the same as the other ones. the d17 is a sharp looking tractor, and so is the 170 |
Posted By: PlayGun
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 12:17am
|
I will be using a 6 foot hog, and square baling about 25 acres, and possibly leasing some more land to square bale, but that's about it, I will be using it for a post hole auger, but just a small farm and hay baler is about it, I would like to pull a 3 bottom 14 plow with it, but from what I have read THE d-17 will pull a 4 bottom. ------------- Hopefully Future AC Man! Ride With Jesus my friends! Lonas |
Posted By: Claus
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 12:46am
|
The Power Director and the PTO are the same on both tractors, the 170 had an optional two speed PTO but other than that they are the same. I had a Series III D17 and bought a 170 and sold the D17. Nothing wrong with a D17 but I love my 170, factory 3pt, live hydraulics, big rubber and more modern styling.   |
Posted By: Claus
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 12:52am
| BTW, a 7; or 8' Bush Hog will cover a D17 or 170 better, depends on what your mowing I guess (for power) but my 170 is 7'6" across the rear wheels (18.4-28), could squeeze it down some. |
Posted By: PlayGun
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 1:27am
|
Good to know, i would rather have an 8 footer. Now your 170 is pretty sharp, I guess I need to go look at them in person. I am going to try and go look at marks 175 he's got, idk, I'm going to go look at that 170 down below me in Athens too, I think the main thing getting me is the rounded front end on the D-17, it kinda reminds me of my 8n growing up,lol. So the 170 had a factory 3 pt, that really opens some things up. ------------- Hopefully Future AC Man! Ride With Jesus my friends! Lonas |
Posted By: PlayGun
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 1:29am
|
Oh and that's what my friend was telling me, " the 170 has live hydraulics," not a live pto. So if the clutch isn't engaged on the D-17 you can't lift the 3 point right? ------------- Hopefully Future AC Man! Ride With Jesus my friends! Lonas |
Posted By: PlayGun
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 1:30am
|
I love the stack on your 170, where did you get it? ------------- Hopefully Future AC Man! Ride With Jesus my friends! Lonas |
Posted By: Claus
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 2:05am
Live hydraulics on both 170 and Series IV D17, factory 3pt on 170, Series IV D17 had option of factory 3pt or Snap-Coupler. I believe they are some rare bird 170s with Snap-Couplers but those are few and far between. Stack came from Steiner Tractor Parts, it's double walled but still turned blue in the curve. Here is a shot of my D17 I used to have, it was a sharp tractor too.  |
PlayGun wrote:Posted By: PlayGun
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 3:18am
|
But you said you like your 170 alot better? I know it's stouter, but does it just feel better? I got it, I will get a 170 and find a D-12 to bush hog with, man that's some good thinking,lol. ------------- Hopefully Future AC Man! Ride With Jesus my friends! Lonas |
Posted By: Claus
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 3:45am
|
Can't beat the Power Steering of the 170, yes the D17 has Power Steering as well but weaker system. The 3pt hitch of the 170 is the same as the 175, 180, 185 and 190, another great feature, you will never hurt that hitch on a 170. I am not a fan of a Snap-Coupler or a dead hydraulic pump but there are lots of people on this forum that love them both. I hate 3pt conversion hitches. These are just my opinions. |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 5:10am
| Have u ever run a 180 ?? Before you think 170 , just run a 180 ,, super nice! |
Posted By: dave63
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 5:47am
|
Just buy one of each. They are all great.
You should have a tractor for each implament. And when you are making hay you will need tractors to move wagons so you won't have to unhook the bailer. ------------- The universal answer to all questions is yes, how much do you want to spend? |
Posted By: AllisUpstate
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 6:43am
|
It depends on which D17 you are looking at. There isn't a whole lot of difference between a D17 Series IV and a 170. The Series IV is very different animal from the older series though. The IV is set up to accept the factory 3 ph (same as the 170/180/185). I found a 3ph off of a 185 in a salvage yard, and it bolted right on. The D17 IV has good, live hydraulics via a pump where the belt pulley used to go. So if the choice is between a D17 IV and a 170, it will probably come down more to your preference, and their condition. Between a Series III or older and a 170, the 3ph and modern features would probably make it preferable as a practical working tractor. |
Posted By: Burgie
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 6:54am
|
I like the way the hoods come off on the D17. Don`t like where the battery is on the 170!!! ------------- "Burgie" |
Posted By: Chris/CT
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 8:04am
   You could buy a nice 175G here in CT. I have a 500 loader and 8ft back blade included in sale. Tractor runs out nice, lots of work done few years ago, $5500 for everything.
|
Posted By: Burgie
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 8:33am
|
If you would deliver it for that price-----------------. ------------- "Burgie" |
Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 9:11am
|
If you like the D17 styling, get a Series IV with factory 3pt and you will have close to the best of both....except for the steering. I agree the hydrostatic steering (fingertip control) makes the 170/175's feel a lot smaller than the D17. I run 4 170/175 diesels and my Series IV D17 diesel with 3pt just sits in the shed.....
Picture is of my 1976 175D with 8 foot mower.
 ------------- ALLIS EXPRESS! This year: |
Posted By: Chris/CT
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 9:19am
| FOB, Chester, CT Delivery would cost me $800- It would be easier to sell it for 4800????? Where do you buy 60HP Real American made tractor for 5K? |
Posted By: D-17_Dave
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 9:22am
|
I understand where your coming from on the looks of the 17. If I were going to be using the tractor most every day then I'd go with at least a Series IV 17 so you have the most modern features on the hitch.
The other thing to consider from a usage stand point is fuel consumption. If I had to rely on a tractor with todays fuel prices and service issues I'd definately go with a diesel. Most don't like the 262's in a 17. Yes they have their own qurks but they will do a lot of work very cheaply. The major draw back is price when it comes to working on them internally. A diesel 170/175/180/185, would be the best for daily work if this were your largest tractor. A couple of gas 15's or 17's would compliment the heard and be great helper tractors for wagons and other lighter field work when the diesel is busy. ------------- Yea, I can fix that..... |
Posted By: jlogli
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 9:26am
|
In my opinion the series IV 17 is more desireable. Good styling, more collectability. ------------- 1945 WC on full steel, WD wide front, WD45 power steering, 1966 D-17IVfactory 3 point.1967 D-17IV SC. 1973 rotobaler white top. orange top roto, model 90 combine,82S, four bottom plow.302 baler. |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 10:01am
|
For a working tractor get the one-seventy, for a show tractor get the D17. ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 10:13am
|
D17 series IV gets my vote - mechanically the same as a 170 except for the steering. The site lines on a D17 are far superior in my opinion. Big sheet metal obscures visibility on the 170/175. Servicing the D17 is much easier is well. There is a lot of time and wrenches involved with removing the hood on a 170. ------------- '49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '61 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080 |
Posted By: captaindana
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 1:34pm
| Playgun I have a 17III and a 170. As Burgie says the 17 is much nicer to unhook the hoods and set them aside. PTO and PD are identical. I like them both but again the series III doesn't have the great steering and hyd as does the 170. I have not yet owned a 17 IV. If the 17 you are considering is not a IV, I vote 170 hands down. |
Posted By: Jim Lindemood
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 4:01pm
| Both tractors will do the work you described -- comes down to condition, price, and location. The best tractor is the one in the best condition, closer to you, at a price you can afford. After that, it's just your emotional decision as to which one you like best --- lots of us have bought a tractor based on that - LOL. |
Posted By: PlayGun
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 4:07pm
|
Thanks again guys, this makes it easier for me, as this will be my primary mule for now, next year or so I may do a D-15 or something, heck idk, this is killing me,lol. If that guy didn't live in Connecticut I would go look at his tractor ,lol. I found a 170 30 miles from me and a guy on here I am trying to become friends with has looked at it and says it looked straight but the battery was dead and he didn't have time to wait because he had to get down to another store before it closed. The salesman swears the tractor came straight off of a hay field, they are asking just 2900$ for it. I will throw up a pic. ------------- Hopefully Future AC Man! Ride With Jesus my friends! Lonas |
Posted By: PlayGun
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 4:10pm
  Here are a few pics of it. ------------- Hopefully Future AC Man! Ride With Jesus my friends! Lonas |
Posted By: jlogli
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 7:33pm
|
Thats not a bad price. Ask if its a gear jumper. That can get pretty exspensive to fix. ------------- 1945 WC on full steel, WD wide front, WD45 power steering, 1966 D-17IVfactory 3 point.1967 D-17IV SC. 1973 rotobaler white top. orange top roto, model 90 combine,82S, four bottom plow.302 baler. |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 7:41pm
Buy the 170, take off the fenders and sheet metal and sell them. Go buy the metal for a 17 and put it on
------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Chris/CT
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 7:47pm
| Ask for the history on tractor, all the service records, receipts, etc. Most likely there not available, if they are it's helpfull. When i bought the 175, the farmer I bought it from had a file on hand, showing evrything done since new. You can't see inside all those housings, so who knows what condition internal parts are in. Service records give some indication of condition. Check it out very well bfore purchase, take a AC mechanic with you if you do not have the knowledge. |
Posted By: BrianC
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 11:14pm
|
I think the d17 is better looking. Anyone care to explain why some 170's have the front axle "radius rods" in front, some have them in back? Is it a gas/diesel config, model year change over? Do they both have same wheelbase? Something to consider or not? |
Posted By: Tracy Martin TN
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 11:18pm
|
When the hyd pump was moved to front, the steering was changed to accomadate a steering cylinder. Early tractors had the side pump and internal rack steering. HTH Tracy Martin ------------- No greater gift than healthy grandkids! |
Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 11:33pm
|
I love D17s, I have an early series I and a bar grill series I, a series II and a series IV. My favorite tractor is my series IV with factory 3pt, however for a working tractor I'd only consider a series IV D17 or else I'd go with the 170. The modern hydraulics are the only way to go. ------------- AGCO My Allis Gleaner Company |
Posted By: BrianC
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 11:49pm
| Perkins diesel good. |
Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 12:51am
------------- ALLIS EXPRESS! This year: |
Posted By: BrianC
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 11:38am
|
I like the get a tractor for each implement idea. You need a backup tractor. So get a 170 and 175. That would be like $12K add $4k for all new tires. That would be the most fun way I could think of spending $16K. Maybe get an easy to jump on and off tractor like a MF 35 for pulling the bale wagon, if you have to help pick up the bales. You could get a new JD 5065m for $35k.
|
Posted By: Steve Zidlicky
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 1:33pm
| PlayGun -- everyone has their favorite for one reason or another. what works for one will not please the next. so, maybe you should slow down a bit. you have had a couple of chances to buy already and do not know what to do. I farm with D17IV's and others and do not like the 170/175 as well for the reasons already mentioned. If I had not just bought a 220 and am looking at another very low houred D17IV, I would jump at Chris/CT's 175 to use as a extra tractor. It sounds like you won't be using it enough to break the bank buying gas and a gas engine is cheaper to work on if needed. I would not be afraid to buy from him by just calling and seeing more pictures if that is the type of tractor you want to start out with. also something else to further confuse you or not- the knocking sound on the primered d17 could very well be the traction booster lever could be set engaged all the time and you would be hearing the bypass. check to see if the lever is down or up. if up put it down and see if the noise goes away. that lever is the one closest to the steering wheel on the left side of the quadrant. in all reality, for what you have indicated you are going to do with a tractor, the earlier model d17 will work just fine. htp |
Posted By: PlayGun
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 3:59pm
|
Thanks Stever, I like the looks of the D-17, but some guys say the 170 is better, but I am just going to have to go with my gut. The 175 Chris has is really nice but it's too much tractor for me, I have a 170 right below the house for 2900 I could pick up and only drive 30 miles. I think I am just hung up on the D-17. I'm going to take a breather for a week or two and just go drive some tractors and get the feel for both. I am going to try and make it to Mark's this weekend, he offered for me to look at his collection. He has a 175 I can see up close as well as a D-17 and other nice AC's. I think I am just really excited and I am getting in too much of a hurry. ------------- Hopefully Future AC Man! Ride With Jesus my friends! Lonas |