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Topic: 175D Ether

Posted By: Curt IA
Subject: 175D Ether
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2009 at 8:43pm

It was -8 here this morning and my 175D wouldn't start in 15 seconds after beening plugged in for 3hrs. I shot some ether thru the grille and she fired right up. Did the ether thru the grille work or was it just luck that she started. What's the best way to give her a shot of ether if needed, does not have the optional pre-filter.

Thanks

Curt

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Posted By: Dave King
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2009 at 8:51pm

It might have helped a wee bit, but at that cold, ether that far away usually doesn't help much. Putting it straight into the manifold helps the most, but runs the highest risk of ether-lock and engine damage. If a shot through the grill is all it takes, keep doing that.

Posted By: orebaugh
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2009 at 8:55pm

I would double check the the block heater. Did the block seam warm around the element? Good place for the shot of eather though.

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Posted By: Curt IA
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2009 at 9:00pm

Thanks for the replies, I have not had any trouble with the block heater, started right up yesterday. Maybe she was just mad cuz I left her outside last night instead of putting her back in the lean-to.

Posted By: AllisFreak MN
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2009 at 9:06pm

They do have feelings you know.

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Posted By: JoeO(CMO)
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2009 at 9:16pm

It's OK, I took a shot of whiskey yesterday morning, seemed to help

Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2009 at 9:28pm

A mechanic once told me to never use ether on a Perkins....so when I have too I just give it a whiff the same way you did and it works! I figure as long as the valves don't rattle on startup you are ok, some people think a little is good, a lot is better LOL!

Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2009 at 9:40pm

At -8 outside 3 hours might not be enough, probably should be 6-8 hours or all night, gives the block time to warm all the way thru.

Posted By: farmer_rob
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2009 at 10:00pm

my cummins in my 5120 case doesnt need to be pluged in at that temp nor does it need either. when i do plug it in its only for 20-30mins but ill let it warm up before heading out to blow snow

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Posted By: Andrew(southernIL)
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2009 at 11:00pm

We give our 175 a squirt through the grill and you can give it ether lock through the grill, but it doesn't have a block heater so if it gets in the 20s we have to hook jumper cables to it and warm the battery cells then give it a squirt of ether and will usually start.

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Posted By: Nebraska Cowman
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2009 at 6:35am

Yeah, warming a block when it's below zero is like thawing a turkey. you gotta start the day before.

Posted By: Dipstick In
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2009 at 6:52am

Retired from farming and only haul grain now with a 1991 Mack Ch w Bosch mechanical injection. Usually don't have to plug it in till it gets below 10-15 degrees. They are right though to recommend plugging an engine in the night begore you want to use them. Lots easier on everything. My Mack spun a bearing at 1,000,072 miles and if I had put rod and main bearings in before, that would not have happened! Oh well! That proved Rotella 15-40 oil to me! I typically DO NOT use ether as it can be very hard on components, but use WD-40 instead. Gives a lot softer start with the same effect!!!! Works for me. Old mechanic advice to me.

Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2009 at 12:01pm

Newer diesels start much easier. If you can keep your 175 out of the wind when you have it plugged in I think you'll find that having it plugged in for an hour or two at these temps will work just fine. When the -20 hits it may have to be plugged in a little longer. That's how I do it with my 7050 here in MN.

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Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2009 at 3:17pm

Someone explain ether lock to me. My D17 would start easily when really cold with just a whiff through the port in the intake. Is it like "flooding" a gasoline engine? Todays ether I don't think is as potent as it used to be. It used to be that ether could be sprayed inside a tire and ignited that was being stubborn about seating the beads. We tried that about a month ago and the ether burned about like diesel dumped on the floor. All we managed to do was burn off the rubber nubbies on a new tire.

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Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2009 at 11:12pm

The EPA took the good propellant out of your ether which helped ignite it for tire inflating.Ether lock is when too much ether is ingested and it fires at enough advance to stop the upward motion of the piston.It can reverse rotation and can bend rods.An old trucker told a story many years ago about another who couldn't get his truck started on a very cold morning.Said the guy had it so loaded up with ether that when it finally fired it left the crank assy laying on the parking lot.He wasn't the kind of guy to make things up so I took him at his word.Would have been in the 60's when diesels were not common place.

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Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2009 at 11:18pm

Ether......aka "Rodbender in a can"