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Topic: Tragedy Strikes!

Posted By: Dave(inMA)
Subject: Tragedy Strikes!
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2009 at 5:16pm

Yesterday morning we had a massive wind gust around 7:30 a.m. Neighbor knocked on the door to tell me that his tree had blown down and fallen across one of my tractors - and that "your tractor looks okay." Would that it were so.....here's what happened to my C:

Ah well. So I spent an hour cutting up his pine tree and decided to move the C. It started with the hand crank and ran beautifully for about 30 seconds......then was missing and puffing black smoke. Ah......water in the gas! Sed bowl was half water, half gas. Drained the tank and checked clutch to find it had rusted closed. Chain, D14 and spouse (to steer C) cured that. Now I think it's time to get the little one into the shop and square it away. Lesson: don't park tractors in New England where we have trees that can fall on them!!

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WC, CA, D14, WD45

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Posted By: FloydKS
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2009 at 5:20pm

It only looks like a little ding....ding, ding, ding, ding, no it is not, it is something not so easy to fix.

Good news I suppose is it could have been worse.

Didn't you want to repaint it anyway. :)

Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2009 at 5:43pm

Hope he's got good insurance!

Posted By: ChuckLuedtkeSEWI
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2009 at 5:57pm

Dave, take the tank off and put an air fitting on the gas outlet and put the vented gas cap on and if you have a tank with a regulator slowly turn the pressure up. I did this on a gas tank once and it took out almost all of the dent. I did put in on about 100' of hose and outside down the driveway just incase it let loose. It was kind of funny hearing the hissing sound come from the gas cap. I figured the gas tank was junk anyways so I figured I would give it a try.

Posted By: Al in WMA
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2009 at 6:12pm

That really stinks, that wind went through here about 6 am, took down a bunch of limbs and closed a few roads. Good Luck with your repairs. hHow did the new shop fare??

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Posted By: Dave(inMA)
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2009 at 6:12pm

Chuck, I've thought about trying something like your suggestion. At the moment I'm too busy kicking myself around the new barn for not having moved the C. I was going to do it over Thanksgiving but came down with a stomach virus and let it slide. But I will get over this and do SOMETHING constructive! Already have a call into one of our parts sources looking for a "new tank" if I can't rescue this one. Fortunately the tank took the brunt of the impact and the rest of the tractor is okay other than a minor ding in the hood. Neighbor has yet to offer to help in any way with making this right.....my expectations are low to start with! Thanks for the empathy, guys!!

Posted By: StanOhio
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2009 at 6:15pm

On the good side, most of the time, its cheaper to fix an old tractor than to fix a people. As long as nobody got hurt, that's good.

Posted By: TMiller/NC
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2009 at 6:21pm

During Hugo in 89 a tree on my property blew over on my neighbors house, his homeowners insurance covered the damage. Might check with your homeowners.

Posted By: Dave(inMA)
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2009 at 6:55pm

Al, new shop is fine. Thanks for asking. HO insurance might be an option except my deductible is probably more than the cost of repairs - certainly more than the parts. And Stan is right - neighbor's son was about a minute away from coming out of the house to leave for school.......thanks for letting me vent, guys.......mostly about the cost of procrastination!

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WC, CA, D14, WD45

Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2009 at 7:15pm

I have been aiming to put grease zerks in the spindle caps on my trailer. Been putting it off all summer. Going quite a ways to a sale tomorrow, Sooooo - I'm out there in the cold wind doing it today. You are not the only procrastinator!! Gjood luck with the fix!

John

Posted By: Nathan (SD)
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2009 at 9:34pm

Good thing your layers of gas cap stayed stuck on in the wind.

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Posted By: Dave(inMA)
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2009 at 9:53pm

Ya like the duct tape cap? When I first looked at the tank last night, the cap was missing and I didn't realize that the tank was damaged - I have no idea where the cap landed. I taped it up for the night. This morning I got a good look at the tank.......

Posted By: Herb(GA)
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2009 at 6:28am

Dave; in many states the neighbor is not liable unlless you had informed him that his tree was a hazard (because it was leaning, did not appear to be healthy, etc). A friend found this out couple years ago when his neighbors 40' oak fell into his back yard, doing minor damage to his deck, etc. USAA, our insurance company, told me that is the general rule in many states. Herb

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Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2009 at 7:57am

John H, I came home yesterday with a new trailer, and discovered that it has Bearing Buddy type bearing caps. Never expected to see that.

Dusty

Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2009 at 8:04am

Dave,
Bummer! But could've been worst. You should be able to pickup a tank somewhere. Still sucks. Glad the new building is okay. We had a couple big branches come down behind our new shop also from the last wicked wind storm that just ripped through. Of coarse, it was the neighbor's and they're in FL. till around April. Missed the building luckily. I had trimmed all the trees that were even near the building before the building was built just for that reason, but those 65 mph wind gusts were a bear! Hang in there buddy! We got snow headin' our way....
Steve@B&B

Posted By: Kipn
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2009 at 9:39am

Had a large tree branch land on top of my covered snowmobile trailer. Basicly junk now and insurance co., both HO and car, said not covered. Act of nature. if it was somebodys elses trailer, then its covered.??????

Posted By: Dave(inMA)
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2009 at 11:15am

Well, the C is in the new barn now. Having let it sit all summer, the carb needs a good cleaning. I've got an original gas cap I bought - part of the gasket is missing but it'll be a lot better than duct tape!

Steve, sure glad that your new shop is okay, too. I've got one huge oak tree beside mine.....it's got branches a foot in diameter! It's my bride's favorite tree, so it didn't come down when the barn went up! You guys know how those things work....

Herb, I'm sure that you're correct about the law. But if it had been my tree and his tractor, I'd have offered to make it good.....seems like the right thing to do.

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WC, CA, D14, WD45

Posted By: Kip[NY]
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2009 at 7:47pm

Too bad it happened but lucky it wasn't worse, Dave. Just getting the northern edge of the snow over here and no wind. Good luck with your repair/replacement. It'll be fine.

Posted By: ALinIL
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2009 at 10:23pm

Dave - BTW The tank doesn't look that bad. Get a stud welder(Harbor Freight) and you will be surprised how good they work. Finish off with a little Bondo and your good to go. - AL

Posted By: Dave(inMA)
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2009 at 7:29pm

Kip, Al - thanks for the encouragement! Al, what's a stud welder?

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WC, CA, D14, WD45

Posted By: Joe/NC
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2009 at 7:33pm

I sent one like that Moyers. Pricey, but an excellent job. Coated inside so it will never rust.

Posted By: RyanTN
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2009 at 7:43pm

Dave, this is what Al was suggesting. You weld a stud to the dent then use a slide hammer to pull it out. I am familiar with the process, but I am not a bodyman by any means.

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=3223 - http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=3223

Posted By: Kip[NY]
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2009 at 7:43pm

My son in law works in a machine shop and they've got a couple of "stud welders" over there...or THEY think they are anyway! (Sorry - couldn't resist)

Posted By: ac crazy
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2009 at 2:17am

HEY, DON'T FORGET TO FILL THE TANK WITH WATER BEFORE WELDING..... DRAIN GAS AND WASH OUT THEN FILL WITH WATER.... I HAVE HAD A GUY BEFORE WELD A TANK IN OUR SHOP WHILE FULL OF GAS.... HE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE OK IF TANK WAS FULL OF GAS.... 3 DOORS, SEVEN WINDOWS AND THREE MECHANICS IN HOSPITAL WITH SEVERE BURNS LATER HE CHANGED HIS THINKING.... LIQUID DOESN'T BURN ITS THE FUMES THAT BURNS...

Posted By: Dave(inMA)
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2009 at 5:43am

Hmmmm - welding of gas tanks doesn't sound like my favorite thing to do! I know it can be done safely, but it's one of those tasks ya want to get right the first time. Thanks for the explanation.

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WC, CA, D14, WD45

Posted By: John_SWPA
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2009 at 2:24pm

I would avoid stud welders on teh tank, if you are a novice user with them.

It is easy to overweld the studs, and with the old thicker tank metal, you over pull, and actually rip holes in the tank. I have owned a stud welder for 12 years, use it at least once a week, and still have reservations about this kind of stuff. Although, you could tig weld or mig weld any holes shut.

but I don't reccomend the route.

Saw some nice tanks for sale local for $40-50.

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John-

"If I can't fix it, I'll fix it so no one can."