Keyway shaft chipped on d19 axle
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Topic: Keyway shaft chipped on d19 axle
Posted By: ChuckLuedtkeSEWI
Subject: Keyway shaft chipped on d19 axle
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2012 at 12:37pm
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Took the stock hubs and tires off this weekend. ON the right side axle, there is about an 1/8" chip on the backside of the keyway most of the length of the shaft where the center was. I was taking off the stock wheel centers and was going to put M and W clamp on 9 bolt centers and some 18.4 x 38's on dished rims. So now instead of a keyway that is 6-7 inches long, I have two pieces on the clamp on hub that are 2" thick with a keyway built into them, but it doesn't go all the way down into the keyway shaft, it's up about a lite 1/8".
So, could I clean up the axle good, build the chipped out areas with weld and file it true and will it hold up, or am I gonna have to look for a better option. I will post some pictures of the bad spot after lunch. ------------- 1955 WD45 diesel 203322 was my dad's tractor, 1966 D15 23530, 1961 HD3 Crawler 1918, 1966 D17 IV 83495, 1937 WC 41255, 1962 D19 6221 |
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Posted By: Bob wi
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2012 at 12:47pm
| so I take it that the bolt's worked that you picked up |
Posted By: ChuckLuedtkeSEWI
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2012 at 1:13pm
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Yep, they worked. Thanks Bob. On to the next problem!! LOL ------------- 1955 WD45 diesel 203322 was my dad's tractor, 1966 D15 23530, 1961 HD3 Crawler 1918, 1966 D17 IV 83495, 1937 WC 41255, 1962 D19 6221 |
Posted By: ChuckLuedtkeSEWI
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2012 at 2:10pm
Here are some pictures.
  ------------- 1955 WD45 diesel 203322 was my dad's tractor, 1966 D15 23530, 1961 HD3 Crawler 1918, 1966 D17 IV 83495, 1937 WC 41255, 1962 D19 6221 |
Posted By: stray
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2012 at 6:25pm
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I've never done a axle shaft before but I have welded up key ways even worse than that one and ground and filed back to shape. It's not fun, but I would try it if it was mine. ------------- 1969 190XT series 3 |
Posted By: ChuckLuedtkeSEWI
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2012 at 8:19pm
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Well, that's what I did today to get it done and the wheels back on. No, it wasn't fun, but I hope that it holds up. Just wondering if anyone else has repaired them this way in the past with good results. I won't be doing anything more then moving it in and out of the shop for the next couple months fixing other minor things, so it won't get any kind of workout for awhile. I guess if I need to find another shaft, I have time before spring to do that. ------------- 1955 WD45 diesel 203322 was my dad's tractor, 1966 D15 23530, 1961 HD3 Crawler 1918, 1966 D17 IV 83495, 1937 WC 41255, 1962 D19 6221 |
Posted By: stray
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2012 at 9:26pm
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I would say you will be fine, if you are as confident in you weld as you seem ------------- 1969 190XT series 3 |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2012 at 10:02pm
| keep it tight and probably never bother.I'd say it had ran loose sometime on the original hub to break it off like that |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2012 at 9:47am
| I don't know, But a fellow welded a bead around the axel on his tractor that was larger shaft then this one and it snapped off right at the weld... Being you only welded one side, Might not be an issue. What rod did you use, 7018, 8018? |
Posted By: stray
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2012 at 10:16am
The differance is he welded all the way around makes the axle brittle at that point.
------------- 1969 190XT series 3 |
JC(WI) wrote:Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2012 at 10:30am
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If you could get the axle to a milling machine a better alternative would have been to have cut a new keyway between 90 and 180 degrees from the old one and abandon the old keyway. Gerald J. |
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2012 at 12:21pm
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Ah yes the welded up axle : On the HD4 I had I busted 3 axles right at the flange the sprocket end, Then when i got the last one the guy i had bought them from mentioned he had a guy weld them up and turn them so the seal area was good. So got a used one from him with so so / bought a speedy sleeve to fit and no problems. Welding created brittle area as the axle was not heat treated after the repairs. On this one if you did small area at a time to not heat a large area might be OK , Think I would have left it or made a key that was oversize , looks like most of area as far as depth was OK . ------------- Life lesson: If you’re being chased by a lion, you’re on a horse, to the left of you is a giraffe and on the right is a unicorn, what do you do? You stop drinking and get off the carousel. |
Posted By: Carl(NWWI)
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2012 at 12:24pm
| Welding on axles is a terrible idea! Many axles break that way. My uncle welded on one on a 1486. Snapped off while disking, broke right at the weld. |
Posted By: Lars(wisc)
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2012 at 1:49pm
| Years ago I worked for a neighbor who had a Case 1030 CK diesel that had an axle that developed that type of chip, went to town and got the square key long enough to fit into the total lengh of the axle, reclamped the hub and never had a problem pulling 5-16's or a gang disk or chisel plow |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2012 at 2:06pm
It is a terrible idea if you don't know how to go about it. Shop I worked in has welded crankshafts for big presses and all kinds of different parts made from different materials. If the part in question has been heat treated it should be pre-heated, kept at a working temp, then post heated. I doubt Chucks axle had enough heat to it to bother it. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: ac45
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2012 at 2:10pm
| The long piece of key stock would probabbly have been the quickest easist way to fix. you will probably be ok unless you ar going to dual it up and go pull a 5 bottom plow, or work it hard |
Posted By: Rawleigh
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2012 at 3:48pm
| Chuck: Use a piece of copper flashing to make a dam along the keyway to keep the weld out of the groove. Use a piece of steel behind it to wedge it in place. A piece of square carbon rod will also work good. A piece of bronze keystock would be ideal too. What size is the groove? |
Posted By: Carl(NWWI)
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2012 at 4:27pm
Yeah, but how many do it yourselfers are actually going to do all the heating processes. And if he actually welded on it that much I bet its brittle. Good chance of breaking too. All my uncle did was tack weld it. 3 1/2" axle. And it broke. Hear of it happening all the time. |
Posted By: ChuckLuedtkeSEWI
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2012 at 4:58pm
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Well, this is what I did. I didn't have a big piece of copper, so I flattened a piece of copper pipe in the vise and then put that in the keyway on the one side with the chip. I then put a small piece of round stock behind it to wedge it in place. I used my stick welder and put one pass down where the chipped out area was. I cleaned the weld up and made one other small pass where it wasn't high enough. Took the round stock and the copper out and grabbed a file and went to work on it. It was warm where I welded it, but not really hot. I used a 7018 rod. I talked to my brother and he didn't think it would be an issue, so thats why I did it before I put it back together. ------------- 1955 WD45 diesel 203322 was my dad's tractor, 1966 D15 23530, 1961 HD3 Crawler 1918, 1966 D17 IV 83495, 1937 WC 41255, 1962 D19 6221 |
Posted By: Nathan (SD)
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2012 at 6:58pm
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You aint out nothing but some time and energy if it don't hold up.
It bothers me to see people throw away repairable parts cuz they heard from a bunch of internet pros that it couldn't be fixed.
Thanks for posting. Gives the rest of us that like to try, someone to look up to.
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Posted By: GBACBFan
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2012 at 7:43pm
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Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark; professionals built the Titanic. http://www.searchquotes.com/quotation/Never_be_afraid_to_try_something_new.__Remember%2C_amateurs_built_the_ark%3B_professionals_built_the_Tit/276215/" rel="nofollow - - ------------- "The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that you can never know if they are genuine." - Mark Twain |
Posted By: Rawleigh
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2012 at 12:45pm
| Good job Chuck!! |