New to me M
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Topic: New to me M
Posted By: Joe(OH)
Subject: New to me M
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2012 at 9:07pm
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Here are a few pictures of my new to me M. Shes a little rough and I probably paid too much, but oh well. Serial number WM 5789. My tracks dont look like any that I have pictures of, anyone have an explanation for this? Just different style or? I dont know how much time I will have to try to get her going this weekend, but I will keep you all informed. Thanks, Joe   ------------- Life is simpler when you plow around the stump. |
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Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2012 at 9:12pm
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Might hold on to that oil filter. I hear you can repack em:) Looks like a lot of fun.
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Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2012 at 9:14pm
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A friend has one just like yours. It has the longer 5 roller track and most likely had a loader mounted on one day. ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: R.W
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2012 at 9:46pm
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Looks like it's got road tracks? ------------- In Search Of: 1958 Allis Chalmers D17 Diesel serial #9643D |
Posted By: Chad(WI)
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2012 at 6:58am
| Calvin has it right. It has the rigid-type truck frame used with the Hough loader. Has the rear hand start, and what is left of the mount for the front hydraulic pump. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2012 at 8:23am
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Looks real nice to me !!
New plugs....hmmm...does it actually RUN ????
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Posted By: Norm Meinert
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2012 at 10:21pm
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I have one like it that with the loader, has not run for a couple years. If you want to put a loader on it i have another m that i could sell the loader off
Norm
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Posted By: everett048
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2012 at 8:52am
| Its a Trackson conversion with the 5 roller frame instead of normal 4,also it has foot pedals to steer rather than levers. |
Posted By: everett048
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2012 at 8:53am
| I should say it did have pedals all the ones i have seen have pedals!!!. |
Posted By: skipwelte
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2012 at 7:46pm
| Rule of thumb, crawlers with dozer blades have grouser shoes on the track, crawlers with loaders have steet pads-no grousers on the track. At one timer there were a lot of crawler/loaders around. With the advent of the articulated front end loader crawler loaders kinda went by the wayside. |
Posted By: David Gibson (OH)
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2012 at 10:46pm
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Pretty cool Joe. Congrats! ------------- David Gibson http://www.darkecountysteam.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.darkecountysteam.com 1956 WD45 |
Posted By: Jerry (Ohio)
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2012 at 9:51am
| Joe, looks like you will be busy for awhile. Where did you find the M? |
Posted By: Joe(OH)
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2012 at 11:00am
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Thanks for the insight guys. I might be interested in the loader. What do you want for it? I found this from a fellow forum member down by Dayton. He had a WD-45 I looked at and ended up buying this. I need to go through the mag, as I dont seem to have spark. Any one have a hand crank they would part with? ------------- Life is simpler when you plow around the stump. |
Posted By: DonBC
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2012 at 1:40pm
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Crawler loaders do not use grouser shoes as the constant turning with a loaded bucket will tear the final drives apart. A company that I worked for at one time had a small IHC crawler loader with grouser type pads and they complained that there were always reparing the final drives. I told them to torch the grousers off. That cured the problem. ------------- Jack of all trades, master of none |
Posted By: R.W
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2012 at 1:58pm
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What are "Grousers"?
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Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2012 at 9:37am
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Grousers are the equivalent of cleated track shoes... the tracked vehicle's track-chain has plates that sit on the ground as the machine moves... those plates can be nothing more than flat surfaces to spread the machine's weight, or they can have ridges, posts, paddles... other types of shapes in them that give them the ability to 'bite' into the surface on which they're rolling. One of the greatest advantages of tracked crawlers over wheeled vehicles, is that they're able to spread the machine's weight over substantially greater ground contact area, hence the amount of contact pressure is very low, allowing them to traverse ground conditions that a wheeled vehicle would sink into. Unfortunately, lower surface pressure reduces tractive effort... so for applications requiring drawbar effort... pushing a blade, or pulling a heavy implement load, the track's plates are either fitted with, or replaced with others that have cleating to 'dig in' to the ground a bit. As Don noted, the downside to adding cleats, is akin to what happens to kids' knees and ankles when they start playing sports with cleated shoes... the added 'grip' causes twisting forces which put high stress on the drivetrain, wearing and breaking things that would normally be spared through slip. Grousers are also pretty unforgiving when you drive across a nicely-finished surface... they can do pretty ugly things to nice concrete, and tear heck out of asphalt surfaces. On modern machines, a popular solution is to clamp in pads into the deep portion of the tread shoes... like rubber or wood blocks... so that the tracks now have a smooth surface covering over the grouser's cleating. It allows the operator to put 'booties' on to keep his grousers from ripping up a nice surface. Grouser pads are somewhat time-consuming to install, but not difficult, and give a guy the ability to tread lightly where necessary, and then shed the booties when traction is really needed. For display crawlers, it's always nice to see a variety of track types, and as noted above, the tracking fitted to the machine can identify the type of service it saw... it's an important historical clue. Unfortunately, it's hard on the show grounds, tough to parade with, and oftentimes dangerous when loading on and off a steel-deck trailer. Many guys will make grouser pads for their show tractors using wood and/or old tire treading. |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2012 at 9:47am
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Joe... these photos remind me of a pocketknife. When I was young, my grandfather taught me to fish. He took me down to the dock with his tackle box, pulled out a hook, sinker, bobber, and piece of fishline, and cut it with a very old Kershaw pocketknife. Many years later, after he and my grandmother passed away, my grandfather's tackle box showed up. I'm not sure who ended up with that tackle box, but I remember seeing it open, with the inside of that steel box, the old hooks and lures, and that Kershaw looking all rusted and nasty, and hearing someone say 'It's junk'. Several decades later, I stopped by to help my dad, and there was a pan with some oil in it, and submerged in that oil, was a familiar old Kershaw pocketknife. Apparently I wasn't the only one that saw some value amidst the rust. After a good soaking and working, Dad apparently got that old thing working nicely, then he scrubbed it good... because another two decades later, he gave it to me. Looking at your M gave me a goofy idea, which would kinda be fun to try. Get the engine running, and jack her up a foot-or-so off the floor on good solid cribbing. Lay out some plastic under each track, and hold the edges of the plastic up with some landscape timbers... then grease all the fittings, and paint a little on the bogey wheels, take the paint-sprayer (an HVLP or whatever) and fill it with some light oil... spray the surfaces and pivots of the plates, then put it in gear, and spray it as it moves... so it works into all those pins 'n stuff... kinda like Dad soaking that old pocketknife to free and clean it all up... |
Posted By: R.W
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2012 at 9:58am
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Thanks Dave. :) ------------- In Search Of: 1958 Allis Chalmers D17 Diesel serial #9643D |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2012 at 1:27pm
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No prob. If you ever run one over your foot, you'll know it. ;-) Hopefully you'll be standing on a soft spot. |
Posted By: Jordan(OH)
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2012 at 1:18am
| Looks like junk, piper would love it. Lol |
Posted By: Joe(OH)
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2012 at 10:08am
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So, Will she pull a plow with out grousers? I really want to plow with her when I get her going. ------------- Life is simpler when you plow around the stump. |
Posted By: Claus
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2012 at 11:41am
| I know it all depends on the soil but how many bottoms could you expect to pull with an M? |
Posted By: everett048
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2012 at 2:45pm
| Over here in the U K they pulled between 3 and 5 bottoms with a press depending on soil conditions. |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2012 at 4:29pm
| Yep, it's all going to revolve around soil conditions. Without grousers, it'll slip a bit. From what I've been told by some of my local buddies who've talked about it, they really liked plowing with tracks and grousers just after the ground freezes... leaves a nice firm crust in the top two inches, and the grousers bite in good. Catch is (like Claus said), when does the horsepower run out? Clearly, you can gear way down and pull hard, but you won't get a nice 'turnover' in the soil at a slow speed. The amount of power required to plow is determined not only by the size, depth, and quantity of bottoms, but the speed at which you need to go to 'roll' it, and finally... the soil condition... and finally... wether or not you're driving in a furrow or turned soil. From my experince, I found that When re running in equivalent soil (right and left side) it's less tiring to handle than when having one track in the dirt... tracks don't 'follow' a furrow quite like a wheeled tractor will. |
Posted By: ChuckLuedtkeSEWI
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2012 at 8:47pm
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The HD3 that I got must be a really odd bird. It has the loader bucket on the front, but it also has really tall grousers, like 1 1/2" tall. And when I got it running and took it out for a spin, I never really noticed before that but it has a power director clutch in it with high/low. So everytime you need to switch from forward to reverse you have to change gears. It also has three point and a pto on the back. I think they must have ordered it that way so they could use the three point and pto for other things on the farm. Most other H3 and HD3's I have seen have the shuttle clutch on them.
I bought it from my dads neighbor. My dad used to borrow it on his farm for various projects. Told me that before he had a loader on a tractor, he would borrow it to clean out the barnyard.
My dad also told me that one time the neighbor's 190XT was down and the hay was ready to bale, so when he drove past the neighbor farm, he saw them pulling the baler with the HD3, he said it was the funniest thing he ever saw. Got the field baled but it sure did rip up the ends of the field when they turned. ------------- 1955 WD45 diesel 203322 was my dad's tractor, 1966 D15 23530, 1961 HD3 Crawler 1918, 1966 D17 IV 83495, 1937 WC 41255, 1962 D19 6221 |