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Topic: So much for that....

Posted By: Lanse
Subject: So much for that....
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2009 at 9:13pm

OK, so i wasted all of today working on that stupid B.

I should have known better.

I got the gas tank on, cleaned up the plugs, checked everything over, got the manifold and muffler on, hooked up the throttle, and tried it out.

Absolutially nothing.

The damn throttle wouldnt move.

So, i took the carb off the manifold and everything looked fine.

After a while, i figured out that the plate in the brand new carb was too big for the intake hole on the bottom of the manifold, and wouldnt budge.

This is very interesting, because it worked fine with that same manifold this spring.

I honestially dont know how this is even possible.

It just doesnt make sence....

But its not a suprise... Anythings possible with me...

So i took the plate off and ground it down on the bench grinder, and got it to move.

Obviously, alot more air gets through now, so i guess ill have to increase the fuel mixture too...

I manged to loose the keys to the kubota too. I know exactially where i left them, because i remember going to town after leaving them there, and i wasnt even in that area until hours after i got home.

Ive never accually "Lost" keys before, just misplaced them.

But these just arent here.

So i started cranking it.

All i can get is a puff through the carb.

Its irritating as hell. Its in time, its got fuel and spark, but its just not doing anything.

I should have known. I could have called this perfactially.... I remember thinking this morning.. "Gee, I hope i dont freeze out here all day for nothing" Just like i did.

I am so damn sick of working on this worthless tractor. I have no clue what the hell is wrong with it this time, and i really dont care.

Tomorrow, im going to start working on other things.

Its just not worth getting mad over. In fact, the only time i get mad enough to raise my voice now is when im working on this.

My plan is to drag it back into the barn so i can have my shop back for the first time in two years and just work on other things.

I leave for cleveland tomorrow, and unless its some painfully obvious detail that i managed to overlook, im just not going to work on this damn thing.

I want my thousands of dollars, hundreds of hours, and years of my life back.

Rant over.

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Posted By: bobkyllo
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2009 at 9:24pm

it will get better lanse trust me. when you get mad at things just walk away. take it from me i usually have 4 to 5 irons in the fire at one time and i get frustrated so i go to a different project.

Posted By: Jamie NC
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2009 at 9:29pm

What plate are you talking about, is it the butterfly on the shaft in the carb . If so is the same carb that was on the tractor before?

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Posted By: RyanTN
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2009 at 10:05pm

Sorry to hear about your frustrating day Lanse. Unless you need your tractor to make a living, this may be a good time to step back for a little while. This is supposed to be a hobby & fun; right?

Often, perspectives do change with time. Sometimes it takes a day other times years. When I was your age I decided that I did not have the patience to earn my living as a mechanic as my brother and father did. After a couple of years, I realized that my patience had increased to the point that the skills dad had taught me over the years were fun again! Motorcycles, old trucks, small engines and most recently tractors became my hobby, and it was not nearly as frustrating as I remembered it. With each success (and failure), my skills increased and it wasn't so challenging all the time. Most importantly, turning wrenches was enjoyable again.

Look, I know you're frustrated, but look at everyone that is pulling for you on this project! There are many experts on this site. With their guidance and a little trial and error; you'll get that B going again. Hang in there. Take a break, don't give up!

Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2009 at 10:19pm

You mentioned in your post a new carburetor. If it is a new Zenith you will need 3 gaskets. I use the new Zeniths. They are also designed for other tractors. They come with 3 gaskets.

If you used all three the throttle plate will no hit the manifold. This is there instructions for Allis B, C and CA applications.

I put some Permatex High Tack gasket sealant on the gaskets. When they are compressed between the carburetor and the manifold with the High Tack between them they turn into one thick gasket that doesn't leak.

This thicker gasket {3} lower the carburetor just a bit for the throttle plate clearance.

Some other applications that use this same new Zenith don't need to be lowered.

This way they can use the same carburetor design for many different tractors.

Give these people a call. They might be able to supply you with a new throttle plate.

http://www.thecarburetorstore.com/servlet/Detail?no=1 - http://www.thecarburetorstore.com/servlet/Detail?no=1

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Posted By: Nebraska Cowman
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2009 at 6:34am

Live and learn Chuckie, Live and learn.

Posted By: dannyraddatz
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2009 at 6:50am

Lanse,
I can have my 3 and 5 year old Daddy's little helpers stop by to break every constant thought you ever had. LOL I too agree on a project you must full understand that as Jeff stated mores gaskets, grinding is not always the answer.

Daddy's little helpers, my two best apprentice tractor mechanics.

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Danny Raddatz

Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2009 at 7:01am

When all else fails read the instructions or ask for advice here. I'm not happy to hear about your frustration but on the good side anyone who reads about the problem you experienced and all the solutions to it will have a jump on solving it.

Posted By: John_SWPA
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2009 at 8:01am

if you get a puff through the carb, chances are that the spark plug wires are backwards.

take the distributor cap off, crank it over, and watch which way the rotor turns. Then, manually set the engine to top-dead-center, and see where the rotor points. That should be #1. I can't remember Bfiring order off-hand. I think it is 1243, so if that's what yours should be, then put the 2 on next, then 4, then the last empty post is 3. make sure they are correct. I have done a lot of engine rebuilding, and repair... A LOT. and I can't tell you how many times it boils down to physically checking the timing and spark plug order. I had a Farmall C that someone rebuilt, and they didn't put the distributor back correctly, so I had to move all the wires 1 post from where they were supposed to be. tractor ran like a clock after that, even though it wasn't correct. Even those with tons and tons of experience still have brain farts.

bottom line... 1 step at a time, then come back here, post what you did, and how it affected it. Don't skip a step thinking, "Oh, I know that's right." assumption leads to trouble, (or heavy drinking.)

So, is this a magneto or a distributor with battery ignition? do you have a hand crank to turn the engine over with?

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John-

"If I can't fix it, I'll fix it so no one can."

Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2009 at 7:37pm

You didn't grind on the throttle plate in the carb did you? If you did, you're going to have to get a new one or another carb.
Didn't this tractor run reasonably well earlier this year? One thing that can happen is if enough of the oil drains back from around the pistons and rings, the compression can drop enough that it won't start. I beat my head against an 8N Ford on that one since I didn't know how much compression it needed to run. About a tablespoon of oil in each cylinder will usually bring compression back up to where it will start.
If it has a distributor ignition system, you can easily static time it so it will at least start and run. Roll the engine around to #1 cylinder on compression stroke. Line up the FIRE line in the window. With the switch on, slowly rotate the dist body opposite the direction the rotor spins watching for a spark to jump from the coil wire to ground. The instant the spark jumps, stop turning the dist.
I feel for ya. Been there many times myself. If you were in the central Iowa area I'd tell ya to load it up and bring it over so we could figure it out.

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"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford