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Topic: Help Identify Model G Implements
Posted By: jameshensel
Subject: Help Identify Model G Implements
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 12:12am
I purchased a Model G recently including several implements  which are a bit of a mystery.  Thanks.  Jim Hensel, Portland Oregon

I was told this was for cultivating Strawberries (likely homemade?) but the toolbar attachment looks very G like.




This disk is adjustable (frozen at the moment) to change the bite of the disks and appears to be towable.




There are also two 12" wide pieces that I am guessing attach to the rear toolbar.  Not sure how this one attaches.  Not sure what it does. Hay rake?





Replies:
Posted By: Herb(GA)
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 12:59am
James, not sure about the first implement.  Second implement is a disc that is pulled behind a tractor.  Allis marketed a ten blace disc for the G; not sure if yours is eight or ten blades; also was of opinion that the G disc was not pitch adjustable (yours is). Third implement is a right hand moldboard plow that attaches to the right half of the front axle; you are lucky in that you have both the gage wheel and the disc coulter (the first things that are readily removed and pitched into a corner somewhere and then lost).  Fourth implement is a spring tooth harrow; believe the PO (previous owner) or someone converted it to use on your Allis G.
Most serious vegetable farmers will have a couple special implements they have modified for use on Allis G tractors; just one of the reasons G's are so desireable.
How about a couple photos of your G.  Herb(GA)


Posted By: jameshensel
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 1:20am
Thanks Herb,  Here is a picture of the G.  It has the Hydraulics with levers.  Not sure what they do though -- think they are trips for some implements (double plow?).


Here are the other bits that I can't identify.

Jim






I know that the lid is for a fertilizer side dresser hopper that came with the G.  The toolbar piece in the upper right has a mate so that is good along with the bar.  The chain, sprocket and "slinky" tubes are for the side dresser too.







Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 7:41am
We always called that last one a "rod weeder".

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From listening comes wisdom and from speaking comes repentance.
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Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 11:35am
They made a two bottom plow set, one R.H. and one L.H. You used only one at a time, saved turning and end running time to alternate plows. Row crop cultivator also spanned a couple rows and needed to be lifted on both sides. Some of the iron pieces look like bad imagination on accessories. The single disks on the round shanks are plow coulters. The triangular frame is a field cultivator. The parallel bar frame is a row crop cultivator sub assembly that used the wheel and tire to set the depth of the cultivator shovel.

I read on this form that there is a single manual covering all the factory tools for the G. I don't have G or that manual.

Gerald J.


Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 1:26pm
I have 1 Dealer Parts Manual for all the factory implements for the G.
For Sale: $25 + the ride


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Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment.
From listening comes wisdom and from speaking comes repentance.
Wise men learn more from fools than fools from the wise.


Posted By: jameshensel
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 3:14pm
Thanks Glenn.  My G came with 10 original books and brochures including, I believe, the one you have for sale.  I have sent them all to Joe M to get scanned.  They should then be available by PDF to anyone who wants them. 

Jim


Posted By: Scott(GA)
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 3:50pm
Originally posted by Gerald J. Gerald J. wrote:

The single disks on the round shanks are plow coulters.
 
I think it should be pointed out that if these are plow coulters, they are not plow coulters for a G Plow   ...or at least they are quite different from the disc coulter on my G Plow.
 
Best regards,
 
Scott


Posted By: jameshensel
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 4:08pm
Thanks Scott.  

Does anyone know where to get the Gauge Wheel rubber tire.  As you can see above, the tire is shot.

Jim Hensel
Portland, Oregon


Posted By: oldironguy
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 4:59pm
For the picture with various parts laid out on the gound.
 
Yes the top left is a lid for either a seed can or a fertilizer can. To its right is master tool carrier arm assembly. Two are needed.
 
Further down in the picture to the right the S shaped piece is a Planet jr offset flat cultivator standard for use on the 60" double toolbar or other cultivators.
 
The gauge wheel also fits the 60" double tool bar. If you have the right clamp, it can be used on the 84" single toolbar too.
 
The circular item to the lower left is the drive sprocket for either a power driven seeder or side dresser.  I can't tell exactly which.  Both implements used the same sprocket but different brackets.
 
You have quite a find.  Be sure to let us know if you have extra bits and pieces to sell and please post where the PDF manuals will be available.
 
Thanks
 
Dick
 
 


Posted By: ibleedorange
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 5:48pm
I beleive the first picture is for raking the straw off of the strawberry rows.

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Posted By: jameshensel
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 5:57pm
As to raking the straw off the rows, how do you think it was powered?  The chain shaft is transverse to the direction of travel.  I cant see any way to power it on the G.  Sort of wondered if it was merely an adjustment. mechanism.

Jim Hensel
Portland, Oregon


Posted By: jameshensel
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 6:16pm

Dick,  I have the rest of the master tool carrier just coming out of electrolysis right now.  The Wedge pins are threaded.  Guessing this was a homemade solution to keeping the pins in place.  I have the standard 60" double toolbar .



Above, the picture below the coulters shows a toolbar.  Not sure what it is for though.  I think when I get the master tool carrier mounted, I will put this on and maybe its secrets will be revealed.


I will let you know what I have for trade.  Will likely have the side dresser (Lid, hopper, splitter, slinky tubes, mounting saddles, drivetrain, rusty chain and rear wheel sprocket) and a Messinger duster (including hose end cups) up for trade.  Looking for a gang of 3-4 planet jrs.  Probably need another gauge wheel.

This will leave me with the Plow, #4 mower, grader blade (homemade), cultivator, disk, pull weeder and the unidentified bits.

I will let you know as soon as the PDF manuals are available.  They will be nicer than some of the second or third or thirteenth generation reproductions because the original books are in great shape.

Jim Hensel,

Portland, Oregon


Posted By: jameshensel
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 6:18pm
Above, the picture below the coulters shows a toolbar.  Not sure what it is for though.  I think when I get the master tool carrier mounted, I will put this on and maybe its secrets will be revealed.


I will let you know what I have for trade.  Will likely have the side dresser (Lid, hopper, splitter, slinky tubes, mounting saddles, drivetrain, rusty chain and rear wheel sprocket) and a Messinger duster (including hose end cups) up for trade.  Looking for a gang of 3-4 planet jrs.  Probably need another gauge wheel.

This will leave me with the Plow, #4 mower, grader blade (homemade), cultivator, disk, pull weeder and the unidentified bits.

I will let you know as soon as the PDF manuals are available.  They will be nicer than some of the second or third or thirteenth generation reproductions because the original books are in great shape.



Posted By: jameshensel
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 6:18pm
Above, the picture below the coulters shows a toolbar.  Not sure what it is for though.  I think when I get the master tool carrier mounted, I will put this on and maybe its secrets will be revealed.


I will let you know what I have for trade.  Will likely have the side dresser (Lid, hopper, splitter, slinky tubes, mounting saddles, drivetrain, rusty chain and rear wheel sprocket) and a Messinger duster (including hose end cups) up for trade.  Looking for a gang of 3-4 planet jrs.  Probably need another gauge wheel.

This will leave me with the Plow, #4 mower, grader blade (homemade), cultivator, disk, pull weeder and the unidentified bits.

I will let you know as soon as the PDF manuals are available.  They will be nicer than some of the second or third or thirteenth generation reproductions because the original books are in great shape.



Posted By: Chalmersbob
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 9:21pm
The white cultivators don't look like any in my book.
I think several pieces are "farmer made". Bob


Posted By: oldironguy
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 9:36pm
Jim,
 
Is it possible that the long shaft shown on the ground next to the planter lid is the front half of a powershaft for the strawberry rake?  Might that be the front half of a telescoping shaft that is slung beneath below the tractor belly and is driven by a chain or v-belt from the rear crankshsft pulley?  Could the sprocket or pulley beside the shaft be part of the rig?
 
I do love a puzzle.
 
Dick
 
 
 


Posted By: jameshensel
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 10:56pm
Dick,  I flipped the picture so that what you see below is sort of how it would look when it is on the tractor.  As you can see, the shaft is running in line with the engine and perpendicular to the PTO pulley.  Other than a #4 mower, I don,t know of any implement that makes the 90 degree change in motion.



Jim


Posted By: Scott(GA)
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 11:41am
 
My guesses follow:
 

0  -   Part # 319117 – Manifold, Fertilizer (I would have to rotate the part to know for sure)

1  -   Part # 316204 – Sprocket, Main Drive

2  -   Part # 316339 – Bracket, Narrow

3  -   Part  # 316340 – Bracket, Wide

4  -   Part # ? – Spout, Fertilizer – Part number depends on the size

5  -   Part # ? – Spout, Fertilizer  - Part number depends on the size

6  -   Part # ? – Link Chain of some sort – Part number depends on the size.

7  -   Part # 311499 – Lid Assy., Hopper

8  -    Part # - Various – Master Lift Arm Assy. (Front & Rear) + Parallel Links (Right Hand side I think)

9  -   Unknown

10 –   Part # ? – Not sure but I believe this goes under the seed hopper on a Power Driven Seeder.  Something similar is pictured in the manual but it is not named and it doesn’t have a part number.

11 –   Part # Not Applicable – Standard, Offset, Flat (Planet Jr.) with Double Pointed Shovel

12 –   Part # 318524 - Sheave

13 –   Unknown sprocket

14 –   Part # 800188 – Pulley, Belt

15 –   Unknown

16 –   Part # (several) – Double Tool Bar Gauge Wheel Assembly (Left Hand)

17 -   Unknown

Scott



Posted By: Scott(GA)
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 11:57am
Originally posted by jameshensel jameshensel wrote:

Thanks Herb,  Here is a picture of the G.  It has the Hydraulics with levers.  Not sure what they do though -- think they are trips for some implements (double plow?).
 
The Model G was offered with 2 different Hydraulic setups: Solid Shaft & Split Shaft.  The "levers" are for the Split Shaft.  I THINK that this was primarily used for a left & right plow setup.  I cannot think of any other reason to have the split shaft.  If this is incorrect, perhaps some other member of the forum can enlighten me.
 
If there is a LH Plow associated with this tractor then, in my experience, you really have something unusual. 
 
Best regards,
 
Scott


Posted By: jameshensel
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 1:16pm
Here is the plow that came with this G.  I am the third owner so presume it was purchased with the G.  Serial number indicates it is a 1948 production year.

I think this is a RH plow though.

Jim



Posted By: Scott(GA)
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 3:47pm
Originally posted by jameshensel jameshensel wrote:


I think this is a RH plow though.

Jim
 
Jim,
 
Agreed - it appears to be a RH Plow to me.
 
I suppose it isn't possible to talk to the original owner regarding what he/she used the split shaft system for.
 
Best regards,
 
Scott


Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 7:51pm
That coulter looks like it's a flat one. The one for the G is a concave one. The G does a very good of plowing.

Dusty


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917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express"


Posted By: jameshensel
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 8:53pm
Scott,  The original Owner died in 1972 when my seller acquired it (family friend).  
Dusty,  The coulter looks a lot like the"Disc Hiller with Square Shank" on page 16 of the Model G Implements book.

Jim


Posted By: oldironguy
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 9:04pm
Scott, 
 
Do you know if the split hydraulic shaft also used on the aftermarket loader that fit the G?
 
Dick


Posted By: Scott(GA)
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 9:48pm
Originally posted by oldironguy oldironguy wrote:

Scott, 
 
Do you know if the split hydraulic shaft also used on the aftermarket loader that fit the G?
 
Dick
 
Dick,
 
I don't know but Herb Metz has a loader and maybe he can give some information on that.
 
Best regards,
 
Scott


Posted By: Scott(GA)
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 10:17pm
Originally posted by jameshensel jameshensel wrote:

Scott,  The original Owner died in 1972 when my seller acquired it (family friend).  
Dusty,  The coulter looks a lot like the"Disc Hiller with Square Shank" on page 16 of the Model G Implements book.

Jim
 
Jim,
 
It took me a little bit of rooting through my manuals to find which "Implements book" you were referring to.  There's a parts book that has all the implements (Form D-11); there's an operator's manual for the Right Hand Plow only (Form TM-25) & there's an operator's manual for the Right & Left Hand Plow (Form TM-25A). 
 
Anyway, on page 16 of TM-25A I found the illustration that you referred to and I agree with you that your plow's disc coulter looks correct ...but the disc itself looks "flat" in the picture.  The disc on mine isn't flat but is concave.  Apparently Dusty has a concave disc as well.
 
If your disc is flat...
 I don't know if the disc coulter's disc varied from "flat" to "concave" over time or perhaps the flat one on yours was a replacement somewhere along the line.  I will say that everything else on the plow looks correct to me - and the discs may have been flat on these things at one time.
 
Best regards,
 
Scott
 
 


Posted By: Scott(GA)
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 10:31pm
Jim,
 
Now that I think about it, referring to my earlier post about your hydraulic split shaft and my speculation that its only use was for a 2-plow setup,  it is interesting that you have an operator's manual for Right Hand & Left Hand Plows.
 
Best regards,
 
Scott


Posted By: jameshensel
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 10:47pm
Hi Scott,

I am not sure it came with a RH and LH Plow book.  I have loaned them all to a fellow to scan.  Here is what documentation came with my G:
  1. Operating Instructions and Repair Parts Illustrations – Front Mounted Plow – 16 Pages
  2. OI&RPI – One Row Combination Planter – 40 pages and 2 page supplement dated 12-15-49
  3. OI&RPI – Allis Chalmers Model “G” Tractor – 48 pages
  4. OI&RPI _ Fertilizer Side Dresser – 16 Pages
  5. OI&RPI – No. 4 Power Mower – 24 pages
  6. OI&RPI – Hydraulic Pump Belt Pulley Lifting Equipment – 18 pages
  7. Setting Up directions, operations, maintenance and Repair Parts Illustrated  - Model “G” Implements – 76 pages 
  8. Intertec Publishing – AC-11 – Allis-Chalmers Shop Manual (looks more modern as it has a barcode) and covers B, C, CA, G, RC, WC, WD, WD45, WD45 Diesel and F Models.
  9. Two copies of a Marketing booklet titled “The Allis-Chalmers Model G Rear Engine Tractor – Central Unit of a Simplified System of Motorized Farm Tools.” – 16 pages
  10. Brochure titled “Man to Man – Here’s what you get in the Model G Tractor”  -- Folded from 22” by 17” into a four-fold 11x8 ½  format.  This piece is missing a bit of the paper.
Jim


Posted By: Scott(GA)
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 11:03pm
Originally posted by jameshensel jameshensel wrote:

Hi Scott,
I am not sure it came with a RH and LH Plow book.
 
Jim,
 
What are the odds...  Ha!
 
Your Document 7 is Form TM-3 and, just like Form TM-25A that I mentioned earlier, it has an illustration of the plow coulter on page 16.
 
Best regards,
 
Scott


Posted By: Herb(GA)
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 11:22pm
Dick, the G loader does not use any equipment associated with a regular G.  The loader hydraulics is separate and is powered by a pulley attached to a shaft that threads into the (motor) crankshaft, after unthreading the claw that engages the hand crank. The hydraulic tank mounts in front of the operator and has a hand valve on top of the tank; pressure up and gravity down.
The shank on Jims disc coulter is square and is shown square on all Allis literature that I have seen. The individual round shanks in one of Jims photos are for something else.
Based on the gage wheel, Jims plow was mfged prior June 1949; subsequent gage wheels (rim and spokes) were fabricated from formed sheet metal; per Dealers Repair Parts Catalog for Model G Implements published Feb 1953. This and other sources note a 14" diameter disc but I have not found a photo or literature that describes the disc being flat or concave. Over the years I have seen several dozen discs and this is the first flat disc that I have seen (the disc appears flat in Jims initial photo; not sure about the disc in his most recent photo).
The spit hydraulic system is typical of Allis Chalmers innovative design capabilities; effective and inexpensive.  The only applications that I know of is for R & L moldboard plows and R & L disc plows.; Gerald J.'s earlier post also mentioned possible use on 2-row cultivators.  
CAUTION: When plows are mounted on G's (with split hydraulic lifts) that are vulnerable to inquisitive people, recommend securing the plows or levers so someone operating the lever can not cause the plow to drop to the ground and cause injury to someones foot, etc. I never thought about this when showing my G at Hickory Corners (lucked out), but then realized above and had plows secured when showing at Asheville/Arden, N.C. a couple years later. Herb


Posted By: Herb(GA)
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 11:28pm
Sure enough, I left something out.  The thought that Jims plow is RH is correct; the plow moving through the soil throws the dirt to the right thus making it a Right Hand plow. Herb


Posted By: jameshensel
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 11:29pm
Herb,  I will take a better picture of the coulter when I get out to the barn and post.

The dating of the plow seems to date it with the serial number on the G itself.

Jim


Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 12:26am
I don't have plow bottom and coulter information for the G, but the coulters for larger AC tractor plows were in the plow bottom book and there were coulters with dished blades and coulters with straight blades. One bigger plows I've not used anything but a straight coulter blade. Like bottoms it appears that coulters were ordered separately from plow frames so the options were numerous.

Gerald J.


Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 7:52am
I have an
 A.C. Service Manual that covers the G, B&C, CA Tractors       79003403
Dealers Parts Catalog Model G Tractor                  form D-12  79003102
Dealers Parts Catalog for Model G Implements      form D-11

The above are all by Allis Chalmers

I also have a manual that is a copy of Allis Chalmers manuals by Jensales Company.

Operators Manual Model G Implements 
In this manual it states that the coulter is concave, and to adjust it to correct for the plow causing the tractor to pull to the right or left.
This Manual covers 
  G Fertilzer
  Field Cultivator
  1 Row Comb.pltor
  1 Row Cultivator
  60,80 In Tool Bar
  1 Row Bedder
  #4 Mower
  R & L Mtd Plow
  R & L Mtd Disc Plow
  Fertilzer Side Dr
  Front Mtd Seeders

James, your #8 Intertec Publishing AC-11, what is Model F ?  


Dusty


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917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express"


Posted By: Scott(GA)
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 8:18am
Originally posted by Dusty MI Dusty MI wrote:

James, your #8 Intertec Publishing AC-11, what is Model F ?  
Dusty
 
Dusty,
 
I can't speak for James but I suspect - based on my copy of what would seem to be the same publication - that James dropped a "W" from in front of the "F".  I think it should be WF not F.
 
Best regards,
 
Scott


Posted By: jameshensel
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 11:49pm
Here are pictures of the flat coulter.  As you can see it is not concave (or convex).

Jim






Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2011 at 7:08am
Also I see that it has 3 bolts instead of 3 rivets that hold it to the bearing assembly. I have 2 pair of right and left plows, all four have concave coulters and are riveted together. One of them has a bad crack in it. Anyone know where I can find a new one?

Dusty


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917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express"


Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2011 at 9:48am
My plow bottoms book doesn't cover the G  plow or coulter, but there its interesting that the flat coulters are mounted to their hubs with 3 to 6 bolts while the curved coulters all have square holes and their hubs fit on shafts that the shafts turn in tapered roller bearings. The flat coulters often spin on fixed shafts. The square shaft hole in the curved coulter makes those look suspiciously like disk cultivator parts, available from many sources by diameter, thickness, and hole size. It might take a grinder or a plasma cutter to get bolt holes in those critters to mount on the G.

Another difference I see is that the flat coulters mount on trailing arms, generally with swivels so they can move as trash builds up, while the curved blade coulters all mount rigedly, like the G coulter.

Point is, it could well be that the pictured G coulter is a replacement from some other implement when the curved coulter wasn't available, or the user didn't like the side thrust of the curved coulter.

Gerald J..


Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2011 at 10:35am
My take on coulters.
Flat coulters are for cutting the sod ahead of the plow and cutting corn stalks so they didn't build up in the plow and plug it.
The concave coulters cut trash much better and rolled it over ahead of the plow bottoms thus did a much better job of covering the trash up. The square shaft is because it needed to be held just so to work right.
There were after market kits with the concave coulters to go on plows that came with flat coulters. 

Dusty


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917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express"


Posted By: singingpig
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2011 at 11:23am
RE: the discs on round shafts.

In the context of cultivating, they could be used for hilling.

They could be useds like a coulter rolling ahead of the cultivator  to cut a line in the soil so the cultivator won't pop a big clod up that takes out part of your crop row.

They could be run next to or slightly behind the cultivator sweeps to act as a rolling crop shield.

James,  with strawberry implements, did you find it in the Gresham/Troutdale area?

Can you give us a better shot of the lift mechanism...haven't seen one like that before


Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2011 at 1:52pm
The manual I have is the Dealers Parts Catalog for Model G Implements form D-11 that Dusty mentioned above. I think it is from 1956. Over 200 pages.
It covers:
Assemblies and Packaged Parts . . . . . . . . pg 214
Disc Plows . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . pg 42
Fertilizer . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . pg 130
Field Cultivator . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . pg 171
Front Mounted Moldboard Plows . . . . . . . . pg 17
Front Mounted Planters . . . . . . . . . . . . . . pg 68
Independent Gang Cultivators . . . . . . . . . pg 153
Master Hand Lift . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . pg 4
Master Tool Carrier & Drawbars . . . . . . . . . pg 10
No. 4 Power Mower . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . pg 189
Numerical Index . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . pg 215
One Row Bedder . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . pg 49
Rear Furrowing Bar . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . pg 12
Seeder . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . pg 113
Side Dresser . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . pg 141
Single Row Cultivator . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . pg 174
Tool Bar Cultivator . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . pg 162
Two Row Drill Planter . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . pg 57
Detailed exploded diagrams of all the above with part numbers/substitutions and quantities listed.


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Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment.
From listening comes wisdom and from speaking comes repentance.
Wise men learn more from fools than fools from the wise.


Posted By: jameshensel
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2011 at 2:12pm
Dick,  you are a master magician.  YES, the universal end of the square shaft screws into the input shaft on the surmised strawberry straw remover.  I think I am missing parts at the other end unless it can plug into the #4 mower some how.    That is the only implement I have that has rotational work the same direction as this shaft.

Jim Hensel, Portland, Oregon


Posted By: oldironguy
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2011 at 5:05pm
Jim,
 
Another of life's mysteries solved!
 
The discussion about by the coulters has me thinking about them too; especially given that you have strawberry equipment.  The clamps that fit the rear furrowing bar will accept both rectangular and round shanks.  Might these two coulters have been mounted on the rear toolbar and run along the sides of the beds like an edger cutting runners and confining the strawberry plants within the bed?
 
Dick
 
 


Posted By: jameshensel
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2011 at 6:12pm
Dick, I was told by the second owner (my seller) that cutting the runners was important so you could be right.  The second owner thought  that the straw remover was a weeder though.

Here is what my rear toolbar clamps look like.  Not sure how a round shank could fit in these.  Thoughts?



I dismantled the toolbar today and this clamp was on it with nothing attached.  Any idea what it is for?




Posted By: oldironguy
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2011 at 9:39pm
Jim,
 
I beleive those are the tool bar clamps for the 60" double toolbar. The rear furrowing bar is made of much larger bar stock and uses a larger clamp. To be clear, do you understand that the rear furrowing bar is a large U shaped piece that mounts around the engine and carries cultivator shoes behind the engine to obliterate tire tracks. I cannot tell from your photo if you have this feature on your tractor.  If you do, there will be a second hydraulic cylinder behind the battery box. The furrowing bar was an option so not all G tractors have it.
 
Dick  


Posted By: jameshensel
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2011 at 10:37pm
These clamps are bigger than the ones on the 60" tool bar and came off of these which I believe are the rear tool bars. I have the yoke on the tractor and the clamp plates are rattling around the yoke waiting for the rear tool bars to be slipped in place.

I agree that the clamps in the implement book look different - two U-bolts for each clamp.  Maybe mine are home made or from an earlier model.    The look very simpliar to the clamps for the 60" tool bar, just bigger.  If you look closely, in the upper left of the picture are the clamp blocks for the 60" tool bar clamps.  You can see that they are smaller.  

I do have the second cylinder behind the battery box.

Just as an aside, the spring tooth harrow in the picture (one of two) I believe some how attaches to the rear tool bars to complement the one that attaches to the Master Tool Carrier and is pictured early in this string of posts.

Jim Hensel
Portland, Oregon



Posted By: singingpig
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2011 at 8:03am
James,

those are the rear toolbars in the foregroound. The stock clamps had round U-bolts that held the tools so you could indeed put a round shank in the back. The stock 1-row cultivators I have seen also had round U-bolts for mounting tools so they could use round shanks. Tony Carbaugh had one set up with hilling discs with round shanks. 

I bought a 2inch square tubing, dual toolbar that had the clamps you pictured...they held knives and sweeps with rectangular shanks.

People just use whatever combination of clamp/shank that will give them the tool they need to do the job.


Posted By: Herb(GA)
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2011 at 11:12am
As Dick mentioned, the 60"double toolbar is smaller (just measure mine - 3/4" x 1 1/2") than the rear furrowing bar (3/4" x 2 1/4").  Your U shaped clamps laying on the wood boards are for 60" double toolbar. Your 2 U-bolts for each clamp (second para of your last post) are for rear furrowing bar. And as Singingpig noted, the G toolbars (front & rear) are ideal for attaching whatever implement works for you.  I plan attaching a couple clusters of Lilliston Rolling cultivator spiders to a couple G's for next years gardening.


Posted By: Joerollins71
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2021 at 7:11pm
You got the link for the 10 book for the All is Chalmers G Modle


Posted By: jameshensel
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2021 at 7:18pm
I still host digital copies of all the Model G books I was able to locate.  Many of the files were derived from the original books in my possession so the digital copy is very good.  Hope this helps.  Not sure how many implement books there are.

Here is the link:   https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0y34orr3p6zp5fq/AAA_QXih16J0qW-mpONcA-lia?dl=0" rel="nofollow - https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0y34orr3p6zp5fq/AAA_QXih16J0qW-mpONcA-lia?dl=0

It would be great if someone knew a way to host these documents here.  I sold my G several years ago so I don't know how long I will continue to host these.  

Jim




Posted By: Kiwi
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2021 at 9:14am
Hi all just looking at that plow disk . that plow will never work unless it has a concave disk on it that straight disk sitting on that angle will pull the tractor all over the place . the concave disk is used to chip the edge of the furrow off this helps to cover  the stubble .

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Tractors Allis EB,two C,diesel G



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