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Topic: Corn picker pictures

Posted By: JimIA
Subject: Corn picker pictures
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2009 at 7:42pm

Well we mounted the old 190 for the first time in probably at least five years. If I knew how the conditions would be I would have thought otherwise! It was in need of moving as it was sinking in the ground of the shed. We have only made a few small passes with it because the corn is a bit too wet yet. My friend Luke was down this weekend and wanted to see the beast in action, so we fired it up and went to the field. So here are a few pics including me on the machine instead of taking pictures! Kind of a rare site! lol

Picker and wagon equipped with A-C flare boards.

You can really see the chaff flying around. These are dirty machines, and when the tops of the stalks are broken off they are really bad!

Hopefully we will be able to start picking soon so we can get done! Will have more pictures when that day comes!

Jim

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Date Posted: 09 Nov 2009 at 7:53pm

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Date Posted: 09 Nov 2009 at 7:54pm

Thanks for the great photos!!!! Ryan

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Date Posted: 09 Nov 2009 at 7:56pm

Love it! Wish I could go out and play right now....

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Date Posted: 09 Nov 2009 at 8:04pm

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Posted By: Tony Elo
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2009 at 8:51pm

nice pictures,but dumb question,how does that wagon unload?is it hydraulic or just plain armstong unloading?

Posted By: Pat the Plumber CIL
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2009 at 9:19pm

I believe i see a hydaulic hose on the front of the wagon.I see a hinge mount on the back of the wagon.I am sure there is a hoist under that wagon.The wagon can be lifted by tractor and dumped onto a corn elevator.On our farm when i was younger we had an older Hydaulic lift with really large rams on each side.You had to drive wagon over cradle that the front wheels of wagon sat on.Unhook wagon and a gear box split power from PTO shaft to both elevator and hydralic lift.Very labor intensive ,but better than scooping by hand.My grandfather used to have a wooden platform that hooked to the back of the wagon.You stood on platform and shoveled corn into crib.Hard way to earn a living

Posted By: JimIA
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2009 at 9:57pm

Thanks guys! These pickers were better than the earlier under the axle mounted pickers for husking. But, they still do not have that much capacity, I think were gonna have to run it in the low side of first gear for the most of the crop to run the corn through. The do have alot of weight to pull you through the wet spots, this model weighs 3700 pounds! Hard to believe!

I would guess the mounting of the picker is about a four hour job at least. To mount the main unit does not take time, but you have to take the fenders off, adjust the wheels, mount the lift mechanism under the engine, attach the rear bracket and elevator, then drive in the front half, slide the lift tube in underneath then add all of the required shields and hook up the drive chains!

This particular wagon does have a hydraulic hoist underneath for unloading.

Jim

Posted By: JimIA
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2009 at 10:01pm

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Date Posted: 10 Nov 2009 at 8:11am

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Posted By: Skyhighballoon(MO)
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2009 at 9:41am

Jim, thanks for sharing, I will have to save these pictures. Dad had a 170 picker then later a 190 picker that went on a D17 Series III. Took us more than 4 hours to get her mounted each year, more like a day. Picking corn with the mounted picker was one thing Dad never let me do and I regret that he didn't. He stopped picking corn before he thought I was "old enough" to run it. He sold the pickers for essentially scrap I think in the 80's. That 190 we had was in great shape too, the 170 was worn out. Someday I'd like to find a good 190 again and put it on an older D17 and just leave it mounted as a dedicated corn picker. Funny, Dad apparently ran a 33 before I was born then went to New Idea mounted pickers then back to Allis with the 170 and 190 and liked the Allis ones better than New Idea.

I also got my share of scooping ear corn out of wagons for a few years before Dad bought a small electric elevator and used the hoist to dump the corn into the elevator to take it into the crib in the barn. Mike

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1981 Gleaner F2 Corn Plus w 13' flex
1968 Gleaner EIII w 10' & 330
1969 180 gas
1965 D17 S-IV gas
1963 D17 S-III gas
1956 WD45 gas NF PS
1956 All-Crop 66 Big Bin
303 wire baler, 716H, 712H mowers

Posted By: Wil M (NEIA)
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2009 at 10:16am

So how does this work, Luke wants to see it pick and you run it but yet you told me if I wanted to see it pick, I had to run it hmmmm LMAO

Good pictures. Thanks for posting them. If I could, I would be up there and actually might run it ;_)

Wil

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Posted By: Bob D. (La)
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2009 at 4:15am

Thanks for posting Mike. Just saw one in action at Half Century of Progress in Rantoul September.Quite an outfit. God Bless.

Posted By: LloydCentWi
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2009 at 7:17am

Our 59 D17 had a new idea mounted picker when we bought it. Both were in great shape and always shed. It did a great job of picking and husking. I did not like running it however. Even standing up on the tractor I would get bombarded with chaff. Sitting down was horrible because I had a hard time seeing anything. I ended up wearing goggles and a dust mask.

Posted By: Max(ia)
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2009 at 9:43am

Helped an old farmer years ago, who had a WD with a mtd. JD 227/w sheller. what a combination. The WD had too much ground speed in heavy corn, the picker/sheller was heavy, so couldn't fill the flare box wagon and pull it. Beat picking in the ear and then shelling, but was not a good combination in my opinion.

Posted By: Rick of HopeIN
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2009 at 8:31pm

the wagons I remember had flat floor and straight sides. The back opened and a sliding gate was pulled to the back by two cables wound on a bar, turned by a small electric motor. Used for silage or ear corn. The elevators and silage blower had a long feeder chute that went across the width of wagon to reduce hand work when unloading. The gravity bed wagons took over later, as soon as corn shelling was more common.

Posted By: Jon NW Iowa
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2009 at 9:11pm

I picked with a 33 on a WD as a teenager, and later with a New Idea mounted on a 1960 D17, and after that a 190 on a D19. The 33 was the cleanest to run but was horrible if there was a little frost on the stalks, it would wrap around the rollers. The New Idea was a good unit but dusty. The 190 was so dirty, I would stand on the D19 seat and drive with my foot until I would get to the end to turn around. Combines were a good solution.

Posted By: Husker Farm Boy
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2009 at 9:21pm

Putting on mounted pickers was a lot of work. My Dad use to have an Allis husking under axle picker that was mounted on a W-D. We had to take off so much of the tractor to get it ready for mounting, the fenders, snap coupler unit, the lift arms, the power take off and the back step plate. Then you had to back the tractor into the husker base, and then jack up the unit to get the hangers into the slots mounted on the side of the tractor. Next you had to crawl under the unit to swing the lift cylinder into place to lift the unit and connect the power take off stub to the husker and then bolt on the side snouts and the front snout had a special unit on the front of the tracotr which hooked on the snout. The worse was to put on the elevator, it either took 2 guys to lift it and one to put in the bolts in the brackets mounted on the rear axle or if u could do it lift it with the loader. My Dad ran that unit from the early fifites until 1964.

In 1964 he purchased a Ford mounted picker that we mounted on a 1962 D-17, which he still owns. This picker was wide so the real wheels had to be switched so that they were wide enough to take the front unit. The Ford front unit was great, did well in down corn and did not shell in the snapping rollers, the husking unit it the back was a diffrenct story. In heavy corn it could not feed the ears through fast enough and slowed down the harvesting. We ran this picker until we switched to a Gleaner K combine in 1972. We did do some ear corn picking for a few years after but the picker set in the shed until the late 90's when the front snapping units were purchases by a sweet corn processer in Idado which came in the area looking for Ford units.

Regarding shelling the ear corn, we had a Minneapolis Moline 1200 corn sheller. A Minneapolis sheller was fairly simple to operate and it could shell corn. If you did not have to reset and you were shelling into straight trucks, we could shell 4,500 to 5,000 bu a day. This sheller was to be for our own crops but my Dad had a number of friends that wanted him to shell for him, so he ended up shelling over a 100,000 bushel a year as a custom corn sheller. He ran the sheller with his curent D-17 at first and later we had a wide front D-17 which he used on the sheller.

The more common picker to be mounted on a D-17 in the 1960's in our area was the New Idea. The local Allis dealer also sold New Idea and those pickers were much more common that the Allis 190.

I do not miss having to mount a picker on any tractor. as we also use to help the neighbors mount their JD 237 on their 3010. It was a lot of work getting any tractor ready.

My Dad did not let me run the picker as it was my job to pick up the wagons, go home unload fast into the elevator and be back to him before he filled the next wagon.

Posted By: JimIA
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2009 at 11:18pm

I never thought these pictures would bring up such great stories.

As for the history of our picking. My grandfather bought a new corn harvestor when they were still hard to come by during the late years of the war. He ran it on his unstyled WC until he bought a new 1953 WD. Sometime in the early 60s he bought a year old 33 picker. This was a later machine that was painted persian orange #2 and had the white hood on the elevator and white snouts on the front as well as roller chain gathering chains. I often wonder why they used the roller gathering units on the late 33s put went back to the link type chains on the over the axle pickers. Alot of people dont realize this but A-C built the 33s into the early 60s several years after the WD45 was out of production and while they were building the model 17 and 14 pickers. What also strikes me funny about this is you could also mount a 17 on a WD so why did they still build the two models instead of just the 17?

Anyway the 33 was used until the late 70s where it was replaced by a New Idea that we mounted on the 1963 D17 that is in the pictures above. I was born in 1979 so I remember the New Idea well. Like the Ford picker you had to turn the wheels around to mount it. The New Idea was a great picker for us. It had great capacity and husked the corn real well. In later years we did use a sheller on the back of it a few times but the capacity of the sheller was no where near what the husking bed could do. It did a great job of husking otherwise. The New Idea was completely wore out when we quit using it. It ended up going to scrap because everything on it was shot. This was also a very dangerous machine to run. There are alot of gears and chains within grasp on them.

The 190 I purchased in about 1996 from a retiring farmer that had ran about 900 acres through it and kept it in the shed. Every once in a while we get it out and run it. Otherwise we have our neighbor pick it for us. We only have a few steers around so we pick the corn and grind it for them. The remaining corn we shell with the K combine we now own and sell it.

We also own a 33 (the original plus parts from a donor picker) a corn harvestor, a 17 and a pull-type one row. We have yet to run the harvestor and the 17. Hopefully we will in the near future.

If all goes well we will be picking this weekend. Will try to get more pictures.

Jim
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Posted By: Harvey/pa
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2009 at 7:15am

Wow great pictures once again, good stories, and ultra rare pictures of Jim. I never ran a mounted picker. My Dad hated farming but my Uncle who I helped alot had a mounted IH 234 on a 460 but I don't remember him complaining about dirt & chaff, I was too busy unloading with a false endgate wagon described above. Come to think about it there is one of those power units & endgates & cables around here somewhere. Cornpicking is my favorite job & we don't pick as much nowdays, should sell my 2 row & go back to a single row so it takes longer...Harvey

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Posted By: Gatz in NE
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2009 at 8:19am

Dad bought a WC and a 33 picker soon after returning from LosAngeles after WW2.

He did custom picking for area farmers that didnt have tractor-mounted pickers yet.

Some of the farmers were over in Iowa, about 30 miles away.

He used the WC and picker up into the 60's. Then, as we had gotten a WD, he bought some mounting brackets from another farmer in the area and mounted a JD 227 on it.

I remember he sent me to go pick up the brackets, and the thing that sticks out is this mean-a$$ dog that the farmer had and that the farmer wasn't around. (Whether Dad knew about the dog or not never was revealed) A friend went along with me and he wanted to go back and get in the pickup. We got the brackets and got the heck outta there.

That setup worked well, but we only used it for a few years as combines were starting to take over and Dad bought this big Oliver combine which I custom ran in beans for college money. Dirty and dusty!! , but I had a radio from an old car that I put in the "cab" and listened to football games. Then he'd do the corn.

Much later, my brother used the same 227 on a JD70 for ear corn for feed.

When we were still picking, I'd use the D17 to get the wagons and unload at the farmplace. Most of the time we'd fill the crib, then erect 3-tier cribs using snowfencing.

We used a cable-hoist with a cradle to lift the front of the wagon to unload.

Most every Saturday morning my job was to grind ear corn for the milk cows. By the time a wagon-load was ground, I'd be down to a t-shirt in the winter.

Ah, the good ol' days...

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Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2009 at 10:37am

Great pictures, Jim. When I was a kid we used a one row Ford picker mounted on the WD45D. It took a lot of work to mount it, too. This week when I was home my Dad said I could have it if I wanted it. It has been shedded all its life and hasn't been used much. He gave me the manual for it which has a separate flyer showing how to mount it to a WD or WD45.....I think it would look neat on my WD45 propane. I didn't have room to haul it back, maybe next trip!

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Posted By: Wil M (NEIA)
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2009 at 8:53pm

I guess we weren't the only ones who mounted a JD 227 corn picker on an Allis tractor. We first had a WC with mounted picker that Dad bought after using a Woodsbro 1 row pull picker and then sometime he bought a JD 227 that they first mounted on a WD45 and later a D-17. I can remember him and my step grandpa mounting it and unmounting it and then sometime they bought a second D-17 and it stayed mounted on the first D-17 until after my step grandpa died and we quit picking ear corn and had it all custom combined. I remember that they put WD tires on the D17 and had them spun all the way out and had the tire centers on so they were dished out. We also had a sheller for the picker but I only remember them using it once. The 2nd D-17 they bought was traded in for another tractor as Dad never did like that 17. He called it a lemon for some reason but we kept the 17 that was on the picker up until Mom had to sell it after Dad died. I wish now that I would have bought it but I used most of my money to buy the D-19. I do know who bought that 17 and wouldn't mind buying it back someday.

Wil

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Posted By: JBrownIndiana
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2009 at 12:27pm

Nice looking 190! You will have to put'er up against mine one of these days, and see which one does the best! Where bout's you at in IA? I had been making quite a few trips up there in the last two months hauling vehicles before I had my wreck. I hope to get another truck in the next two months to start up the operation again. J Brown Receptology dehydroisoandrosterone rattan exactitude autolysis continuation dapsone wpb, algomioclonism dipped oligoarthritis collegative waistline misy groundsel.
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