A Ripe Orange in Between the Green
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Topic: A Ripe Orange in Between the Green
Posted By: Protrucker
Subject: A Ripe Orange in Between the Green
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2011 at 6:14am
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I spotted this in my travels, but haven't had a chance to stop & check it out. I took the pic's while driving by. What model is it?
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Posted By: dave63
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2011 at 6:21am
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Looks like a B with a belly mower ------------- The universal answer to all questions is yes, how much do you want to spend? |
Posted By: Protrucker
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2011 at 6:40am
| I don't know A/C's that well yet. I too was thinking it's a B, but wasn't sure when I saw the rear hitch. It doesn't look like the normal B hitch, but it also doesn't look like one of the aftermarket 3-point hitches. That made me wonder if it's another model that I haven't seen yet. |
Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2011 at 6:42am
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Looks lIke a B with a Snap Coupler conversion done on it. At least it looks like it has the lift arm latches...... ------------- Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity" 1968 D15D,1962 D19D Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2011 at 6:58am
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Late model B's had the snap coupler as an option. Pretty rare feature ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: JR Maley
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2011 at 1:23pm
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Thats one ridiculously comfortable looking cushion. The deere 318 in the foreground is one fine machine (sorry to say, but its better than any garden tractor AC ever produced). I think simplicity may have at one point made an equivalent, but it came a good bit after the 318. I believe still to this day Deere sets the standard for L&G tractors.
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2011 at 2:50pm
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What makes a 318 better than a 918hydro or 920hydro? ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: LionelinKY
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2011 at 5:45pm
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Sorry, but I have to disagree with JR Maley. I own a JD 210 L&G and an AC 608LTD. Both are 1984-1985 vintage. The JD is 10hp running 38" cut. The AC is 8hp running 36" cut. Both are 2 blade mowing decks. The AC will mow circles around the JD any day of the year in any type of lawn. I totally rebuilt the JD deck trying to get it to mow the way I thought it should and also spent the time to get all the level adjustments perfect. Still had to mow low gear and go over twice to get a good finish. I happened to run across the little AC for sale one day on my way home. Bought it for $300.00 and only needed to repaint it. It now mows the same yard at a faster ground speed and only one pass and still gives a better finish. My dad has an AC B110 and even though it is an old manual shifter, I wouldn't hesitate to put it toe to toe with any JD318. Even up the odds with an HB212 and the JD becomes yard art. ------------- "My name is Lionel and I'm an Allisoholic" |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2011 at 6:27pm
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I think JR hasn't seen a 616-620-720 tractor. Weren't they also produced as the Simplicity 2020 Power Max? I think JD's advantage is the attachments. That and the power steering. The 318 is one of the first widely produced with p/s. Case probably had the best hydraulic system in it's day. My 446 has down pressure, 10 GPM capacity, and the best tiller. They made the tillers with either 3pt or sleeve hitch. Hook up 2 hoses and you're ready to till. It also will go forward or reverse. ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: Bill Long
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2011 at 7:31pm
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You all know it is a B Allis Chalmers with a mid mount rotary lawn mower. It has the standard type of draw bar. Not the Snap Coupler. If it were a snap coupler the draw bar would be reversed with a snap coupler bell. Not a bad looking B. I cannot comment on the lawn tractors. Good Luck! Bill Long |
Posted By: Ryan Renko
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2011 at 7:44pm
| I think my boney butt would really like that seat!! |
Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2011 at 8:31pm
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We had a JD 300 (Dad) and an AC 716 (mine) at the same time and later he had a JD 317 and I had a Simplicity 9117. 6. Resale, when Mom & Dad moved into town they traded the 10 year old 317 and it's snow blower and chains for a new 13hp Deere for $50 bucks. That was 20 years ago, if I ever get rid of the 9117 I'll let you know how it works out. LOL
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Posted By: Protrucker
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2011 at 9:37pm
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I wasn't going to add a comment about gt's because I don't have any experience with A/C's, but as long as you have mentioned the Case gt's.....
I have two Case 444's & an Ingersoll (Ingersoll bought out the Case gt line) 4016PS. The Ingersoll has power steering. I think a Case/Ingersoll 400/4000 series tractor will give the J/D 318 a good run for their money, especially with the larger 16" rear wheels. There is also a wide selection of attachments available for them including; mower decks up to 60", snow plow, snowblower, tiller, log splitter, Hydracutter (brush hog), chipper, Hydravac, and sweeper.
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Posted By: Chalmersbob
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2011 at 9:57pm
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Bill, you're right about the drawbar, but I think that they were refering to the lift arms having CA snap coupler latches on them.
Love those B's!!
Bob
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Posted By: acwdwcman
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2011 at 10:03pm
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i think i want that black yamaha banshee four wheeler sitting there. ------------- wd with a freeman model 90 trip loader, wd45, 38 unstylled wc, b 10 garden tractor and 2-14 ac trip plow. grandpa has a 56 wd45. wd. allis chalmers snap coupler blade and 3 bottom snap coupler plow |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2011 at 10:44pm
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Definitely a B and appears to have the snap couple lift arms with latches. Can't tell much about the mower except I don't believe it to be a Woods. I don't think Woods ever used a big pulley like that on the B. They have a smaller pulley in place of the flat belt pulley on the side. I have mowed with several JD mowers and JD hasn't come close to what Simplicity and Allis did for mowing. I've been mowing the neighbors yard with his new this spring 725 with a 62 inch deck. If you travel any faster than a crawl, going around a corner, it leaves strips of knocked down grass between the blades. 3 neighbors have come to help mow and all have Woods grasshoppers. For the same money as the Deere, they all have a real mower that does a great job. I would even go so far as to match my 38 B up against the 725 John Deere. It doesn't have the hydro tranny or hydraulic lift, but it does a better job of mowing than the Deere and cost me less than 10% of the price of the JD. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2011 at 7:28am
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I'd take any out there be it green or orange.
We have always used orange for the real work but only let the green cut grass.
Started with a JD110 (I think) then a JD 214 in 1977 with the hydrolic deck lift option and that one has cut about 2000 acres in it's life time but it has had the deck and one short block put in it (Kohler). I also have my dad's 2000 JD235. Much better blade speed over the 214 so thus a much faster cut, it has the B&S 18hp V-twin in it. ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: TREVMAN
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2011 at 11:55am
| I got a Allis 720 with tiller, mower, loader, snowblower and blade. These tractors were designed in 1967, some improvements were made until the last unit was sold in around 1980/81. I'll stack it up against anything built in that era, and it kicks most stuff built since. The only thing I have seen I'd sooner have is a 4wd Kubota...TREV. |
Posted By: JR Maley
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2011 at 8:27am
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I guess I shouldn't have made the JD 318 statement without knowing more about the AC L&G tractors. Here are some of the features I know the JD has: Differential brakes 2 spool hydraulics with the option for 3 spool 18hp Onan Shaft Drive Way overkill beefy frame Power Steering Hydro trans Hydraulic connections front, mid, and rear The real ultimate L&G tractors in my mind were the JD 332 & 420. That being said, although I have a JD 317, I cut my grass with my Allis Chalmers B just because its more fun and I look better doing it. Honestly though, the Garden tractor I would want the most is an AC 920 despite not having all the features of the Deeres.
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Posted By: Toneman1
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2011 at 10:31am
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I really like the orange guys too, but for L&G, I have had to use JD"s for the most of my life. I have a 345 which has been an excellent mower with almost no real maintenance issues. Power stering, power lift, but no other options. Then I found a 1 year old 455 all wheel steer with the Yanmar diesel. Plenty of outlets and options for add-ons with a 72" deck. So far so good after 6 years or so. Recently purchased a JD Zero-Turn, and I have to say it has cut my mowing time in half, plus the wife likes it (good deal for me).
I really wish I would have had the opportunity to try out something made by Allis or whoever made them for Allis. ------------- Don't worry about the mule going blind, just load the wagon. |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2011 at 10:59am
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I've had many mowers, mostly not great until the last couple years. And I've moved to a bigger acreage (that I now own) so good mowing machinery is worth the bother and cost. For decades I've been mowing with a 1967 JD 112 with 47" deck. On half an acre it was OK though on rough ground the deck bounced a lot and it cut rough. I bought it with a snow thrower and a new short block. I wore that Tecumseh out and it threw the rod in standard Tecumseh fashion though it was a cast iron block. It now has a Briggs and mows on 1/4 the fuel the Tecumseh used. I've worn some of the deck drive pulleys to the point they need replacing to get full power to the deck. And the deck with three blades is easily plugged, it doesn't get rid of the grass well. Old timers in the mower business around here tell me I didn't have to learn that by experiment, they knew it when they worked for Deere 40 years ago. Then I resurrected my dad's series one Snapper Comet that has a near new Briggs engine replacing its Tecumseh that threw the rod through the aluminum block. With 8 hp on a 30" single blade deck, it mows this couple acres in less than three hours running as fast as its friction drive will move it. I'm detecting the speed slowing over that time period. Last month I borrowed a 2007 Snapper 250Z zero turn, 20 hp, 42" deck. I have yet to learn to drive it most efficiently but its doing a neater job than the Comet, in half the time (cruising at 6 mph). The ops and parts manual says its the same (now made by Briggs since B&S bought Snapper) as a Simplicity Javelin though I think the engine and deck on the Javelin are different. As zero turn prices go, I stole the 250Z (I've paid for it but the check hadn't yet cleared a week later last I checked), but its still more than I've ever paid for a mower. The cost of more time for other things I guess. The Deere is in pieces right now, the rear variator belt came apart and some of the threads are wrapped around the transmission shaft against the seal and make that shaft turn hard. I may have to take the transmission out and apart to get that cleaned up. In the mean time the red mowers mow better but the Deere might push a blade for landscaping. I don't have that snow thrower, it was OK in dry snow, but useless in the deep late March early April wet snows we often get. I spent more time unplugging the chute than moving snow. One grumble about the zero turn is that it piles up grass all over it and the driver. I talked to one dealer in zero turns at a county fair Wednesday and he agreed that all zero turns do that. I get about half a bushel from over the mower deck after mowing. So I get out the air hose and blow me off too. Gerald J. |