Need info on this rake
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Topic: Need info on this rake
Posted By: D17 owner
Subject: Need info on this rake
Date Posted: 04 May 2011 at 8:18pm
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My dad called me about this rake tonight. I need anything about this I would like to get one for my D17. I would like to know what model # you think it is, what years they where built, and a price guide (ballpark) for this rake are they 400, 800 bucks scrap price. I herd some of these are hard to find. I can belive that, this is the first one I seen come up for sale. All I have seen is this picture and that it says rake/tedder. My 17 is a 61 I am looking for stuff right aroud the time frame for the old gal. Thanks, Eric  |
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Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 04 May 2011 at 8:33pm
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I am not sure but a I believe that rake is a little earlier than the 17's. I have one that looks like it would work if I put tires on it. I pulled it off a guys brush pile just before he burned it. Looks like this one has the complete ball hitch with it. I doubt it would be worth $400 for scrap. I can pick that whole rake off the ground with my loader on the 45. I got $270 for my Corolla and couldn't come close to picking it off the ground with the same tractor. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 04 May 2011 at 8:39pm
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OK I looked it up. It was called the "side delivery rake" no model designation. It was produced from 1947 to 1957 when the No7 was introduced.
------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: D17 owner
Date Posted: 04 May 2011 at 8:43pm
| I ment 400 bucks or scrap price witch I would say by looking at it 800 pounds so about 125 150 bucks. I would never let it go for scrap price. I was thinking how high should I go before people say your nuts (it is on a auction). I get that alot. So your thinking around the wd time frame? |
Posted By: D17 owner
Date Posted: 04 May 2011 at 8:45pm
| Great thanks!!! A little old then the 17. I gess I have to by a older 17 LOL. |
Posted By: John (C-IL)
Date Posted: 04 May 2011 at 8:45pm
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I have a rake like that! It's called a Tip Over rake because that its what it does if you raise the tongue too high. LOL
I have also heard it called a PTO rake. Set properly it does a very good job.
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Posted By: Bill Long
Date Posted: 04 May 2011 at 8:46pm
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I believe this was the first PTO rake and up to that time the first rake made by Allis Chalmers. We sold a bunch of them 1948 to say about 58. It has two forward speeds and one reverse for tedding. Options included additional wheels what would carry the rake over rough ground. I recall we seemed to replace a few gear boxes. Could never seem to figure out why unless they were raking rocks. Nobody admited it though although I knew one did. In any event we sold them and they worked rather well. When the more compact parallel rakes came out this rake was done.
As to the price I can't help you.
Good Luck!
Bill Long
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Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 04 May 2011 at 8:50pm
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I am sure more than a few of these rakes have been pulled with a 17. You probably could have purchased a new one like it when the D17 was introduced in 1957. A B or C might be easier on gas if you have the right ground speed but a 17 would work great to be able to pick from more gear choices to match rake rpm to raking conditions and have a proper ground speed.
------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Don(MI)
Date Posted: 04 May 2011 at 8:51pm
 Bill is right on with this, its either the first or second to the first allis rakes
If I remember right, I think I paid $350 for my rake. Then I painted it and put decals on her..
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Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 04 May 2011 at 8:57pm
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Great combination Don. That would turn some heads if you were raking hay along a busy stretch of road.
------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Tedin NE-OH
Date Posted: 04 May 2011 at 8:58pm
| Nice rake, I had one once. |
Posted By: D17 owner
Date Posted: 04 May 2011 at 9:03pm
| Thats what I want to do with it also. But by looking at your pictures and some I googled I think I would be a pain to hall to shows. |
Posted By: Don(MI)
Date Posted: 04 May 2011 at 9:06pm
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Ya, its pretty wide. I got a manual with mine, but I have seen them on Ebay.
I did take it to one show once about 4 years ago, but I pulled it behind a truck the 10 miles to the show.
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Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 04 May 2011 at 9:08pm
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Produced for the 1959 haying season, the Model 77M was a snap couple mounted rake. Perfect for what you want.
------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Don(MI)
Date Posted: 04 May 2011 at 9:09pm
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Manual says reel length is 10 Ft.
Overall width is 13 Ft 10 in. (14 ft.)
Shipping weight is 995 lbs.
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Posted By: Matt MN
Date Posted: 04 May 2011 at 9:15pm
Here is one that I picked up last fall, I paid $200 for it.
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Posted By: Bill Long
Date Posted: 04 May 2011 at 9:19pm
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You have to love that rake with a FLAT TOP WC. Nice looking units.
Good Luck!
Bill Long
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Posted By: D17 owner
Date Posted: 04 May 2011 at 9:19pm
| Did you spay some paint on it or was it like that? Looks like it is in nice shape. |
Posted By: HagerAC
Date Posted: 04 May 2011 at 9:30pm
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Paid $40 bucks for ours, but had to replace the slip clutch on it which we could get from Agco for around $100 bucks. That was probably 4 years ago.
------------- 30+ A-Cs ranging from a 1928 20-35, to a 1984 8070FWA, Gleaner R52 |
Posted By: Don M SEIA
Date Posted: 04 May 2011 at 9:31pm
| I bought one in march for $175, but it needs 12 rake teeth, and paint. They were called a Side delivery rake and teader. |
Posted By: Auntwayne
Date Posted: 04 May 2011 at 9:36pm
| Thats the side view I was looking for. Very nice. |
Posted By: Pat the Plumber CIL
Date Posted: 04 May 2011 at 11:03pm
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I all but wore out a couple of those rakes behind our D-17's,would have to use the 48 WC if the cultivator was mounted to one of the D-17's.Slip clutch could be a pain and there are an awful lot of grease zerts on one of those. ------------- You only need to know 3 things to be a plumber;Crap rolls down hill,Hot is on the left and Don't bite your fingernails 1964 D-17 SIV 3 Pt.WF,1964 D-15 Ser II 3pt.WF ,1960 D-17 SI NF,1956 WD 45 WF. |
Posted By: JayIN
Date Posted: 05 May 2011 at 6:56am
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My Dad bought one of those new in 1947 along with a Roto Baler. He used them a lot until 1991 or so. Never any problems except a broken hitch, which I got the blame for! Good rakes! ------------- sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?" |
Posted By: John (C-IL)
Date Posted: 05 May 2011 at 7:58am
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Dang Don, I wish mine was that pretty! I used the one that Dale Haymaker has last year at the OPOP show to rake some straw. It made a nice windrow.
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Posted By: RichinWis
Date Posted: 05 May 2011 at 8:31am
| We had one of those when I was in high school, smooth running rake, I will agree with the tip over rake comment, not so nice to hook up and take off with. From a practical stand point and the reason most are still like that, is that the ground driven ones are very fast hitching and just go park it when it is done. If you want one for show like Don's is great nostalgia. An old friend of mine whose Dad was an AC dealer said the way they used to sell them was by going out to the field where the farmer was raking hay with a couple of the bearing assemblies in their hands to demonstrate how smooth they were. The snap coupler rake 77M is what I have and is my favorite. |
Posted By: Richard
Date Posted: 05 May 2011 at 8:58am
| I raked with one of those during my high-school days back in the late 50's. I remember it doing a good job and it was fairly quiet. I also remember all the places there were to grease it. I pulled it with a WC. The WD was used on the roto baler. And there was a bale loader that was used on the WC. |
Posted By: Don M SEIA
Date Posted: 05 May 2011 at 8:31pm
| We hauled ours home on a 18 foot car trailer. I think the wheels are only 12 feet apart, and if you have it long ways it isn't that wide. |
Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 06 May 2011 at 12:04am
I bought this one for $50 a few years back.
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Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 06 May 2011 at 12:06am
This is the rarer one.....
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Posted By: Gary in Texas
Date Posted: 06 May 2011 at 5:35am
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I don't want to Hijack the post... But we can get one of these racks for nothing, but it needs a lot of the spring teeth, are they available? where? how much?
and the wheels need replaced, are they special wheels ? or will implament wheels work on it?
and it looks like the one in the post, That Eldon (WA) posted, just before my questions, not the first ones.
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Posted By: Jim Lindemood
Date Posted: 06 May 2011 at 7:49am
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I have one of these that I use every year. I have used it behind a D17D and it works just fine. Have used both to rake and ted when needed. Mostly I use it to rake behind a 5030, which is a good combination - but the D17 is fine. Value at auction? - depends on condition, distance, and how bad you want it. Hard to tell from the picture, but it actually looks to be in pretty good shape --- has the stand, and the special AC ball for the hitch. I would guess somewhere in the 300 - 400 range would take it. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 06 May 2011 at 8:20am
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Used to be a ton of them in fence lines and some being still used about 10-15 years ago around here. Scrappers got most now. There is a boned out one in Dad's woods. Don't try backing them up cause you can snap the rear wheel assembly off according to Dad. You can set different raking speeds and also tedder with them. Dad liked the one he had. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 06 May 2011 at 2:25pm
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The one we had when I was a kid had both wheel that pivited and you could not run the old WC wide open in high gear or it would shack.
Tom
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