6080 vs 185
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Topic: 6080 vs 185
Posted By: AC Nut
Subject: 6080 vs 185
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2011 at 8:49pm
| I am looking at purchasing an older AC with cab. Looking at 185 or 6080. Some of the older 185 tractors are going for half of the 6080, but the 6080 sure looks nice. Wondering about pros/cons of both. I know the 185's don't have air cond. I am looking at a 6080 in Wisconsin for $11,500 with 5,300 hours or 1970 185 with 4,000 for $6,500. Thoughts? |
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Posted By: monitordoc
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2011 at 8:57pm
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I HAVE A 180 WITH A CAB . WE JUST DON'T USE IT ANYMORE. ABOUT ALL IT HAS DONE THE LAST 3 YEARS IS TO BE MOVED FROM ONE SIDE OF THE SHED TO THE OTHER. ASKING $6000.00 OR OBO.
WE ARE IN S.E. MINNESOTA COME AND DRIVE IT.
JOHN
------------- WD,D17-S4,180,D21 |
Posted By: AC Nut
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2011 at 9:00pm
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The usual questions: Hours, paint, broken glass, tires %. |
Posted By: monitordoc
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2011 at 9:08pm
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HOURS==I DON'T KNOW . TACH HASN'T WORKED FOR 10 YEARS OR MORE.
PAINT IS ORIGINAL AND PRETTY GOOD
TIRES ARE 50% OR MORE.
NO BROKEN GLASS
WE USED TO USE IT PLANTING CORN (4 ROW) AND CUTTING AND BALING HAY. NOW WE HAVE A D-17 TO DO THE HAYING AND RENT OUT THE REST OF THE FARM. ------------- WD,D17-S4,180,D21 |
Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2011 at 9:58pm
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Personally, I do enjoy the factory cab on the 6080 and the modern features of the tractor also score bonus points: Intercooled turbo, differential lock, hydraulic brakes. Serviceability is far easier with only having to remove the left side sheet. One the 185, it will take you 1 hour just to remove all the bolts that hold the hood on. If you keep that little 4 cylinder wound up you'd be surprised how much power it can give. Mine dyno'd at over 100 hp in the summer. However, the only thing it doesn't have is the power director, but the fully synchronized transmission works pretty slick though. ------------- '49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '61 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080 |
Posted By: AdamA
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2011 at 10:27pm
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really like our 6080, cab is nice and quiet AC will always work better in a factory cab ,won't lug like the 6cyl 185 but small price too pay for comfort in my opinion!! ------------- 57'D-17,78'185,83'6080,76'7040,84'8030 FWA.02'Dodge cummins |
Posted By: Eric[IL]
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2011 at 10:54pm
| ACnut, you did not mention 4wd on the 6080 so I am assuming that the one you're looking at is 2wd? If so, then you may want to consider a good 7000, 7010, or 7020. For about the same money as you quoted the 6080, any of those 7xxx series would be comparably priced. They all have the same 301 engine as the 185, but with turbo on the 7000/7010 or intercooled on the 7020. So, they could offer you more hp, hydraulics, & good cab features with air conditioning. A 7010 with 4750 hours brought $7200 just last month at a farm auction in Alexis, IL. It had good paint, nice clean cab, 18.4x38s, & started good, did not use oil, & had decent rubber. It did need its air conditioning serviced/repaired. Just a thought? |
Posted By: Eric[IL]
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2011 at 10:58pm
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Posted By: HagerAC
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2011 at 1:08am
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monitordoc, I am just curious as to where you are located in S.E MN. I am from the same region, not interested in the 180 as I allready have one, but just curious on your location.
------------- 30+ A-Cs ranging from a 1928 20-35, to a 1984 8070FWA, Gleaner R52 |
Posted By: AC Nut
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2011 at 7:37am
| I was looking at the 7000 series, but they seem bigger than what I needed and felt they would be more cumbersome to operate. I would only use for cutting/baling and snowblower. My first choice would be a 6080 with MFWD, but that would put me out of my budget. |
Posted By: Jim Lindemood
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2011 at 8:26am
| Depends on the size of your pocket book and the condition of the tractors. I don't know much about a 6080 except they are nice tractors. I do have a 185 (open station) that I have used for plowing, discing, planting, mowing, square baling, round baling, harvesting and it is very versitile: very happy with it --- If all you are planning to do with it is cutting / baling and snowblowing, in my opinion, for the price difference the 185 would be hard to beat --- assuming they are about the same condition. |
Posted By: AC Nut
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2011 at 9:32am
| I was told that the 185 would not be a good fit for snowblowing due to not having live PTO and would be hard on the hand clutch. I like the idea of having live PTO and live hydraulics which it sounds the 185 doesn't have. |
Posted By: rrhead(SD)
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2011 at 10:16am
We have 3 6080's now. They are a very handy tractor. We have loader's on 2 of them and the one with FWA has never been stuck. We don't use the snow blower very much, but the low gear transmission is perfect for this. It just crawls along blowing any depth snow. With 2wd you would probably need chains to move snow. rrhead(SD)   |
Posted By: Skyhighballoon(MO)
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2011 at 10:37am
The 185 does have independent hydraulics - using either the foot or power director (hand) clutch does not stop the hydraulics. The 185 does have live PTO (you can stop the tractor using the power director clutch but the PTO keeps going) but it is not independent as the the PTO will stop using the foot clutch. If the 185 has the hydraulic activated PTO engagement, you can start and stop the PTO at any time without having to use either clutch. I use my 180 (same tractor, a few less HP) for snow blowing. You can slip the power director clutch - the wet oil bath clutch will stand up to that use much better than slipping any dry clutch on another tractor. I agree though that it could stand to have a slower reverse for blowing snow. Mike ------------- 1981 Gleaner F2 Corn Plus w 13' flex 1968 Gleaner EIII w 10' & 330 1969 180 gas 1965 D17 S-IV gas 1963 D17 S-III gas 1956 WD45 gas NF PS 1956 All-Crop 66 Big Bin 303 wire baler, 716H, 712H mowers |
AC Nut wrote:Posted By: Michael (WI)
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2011 at 11:03am
| I curently use a 1972' 185 open station and a 1985 6080 fwa with cab. The 185 is used for cutting hay, planting corn, and limited discing. The 6080 runs the chopper, pulls the manure spreader and used to pull a 21' field cultivator and 5 shank disc chisel. The last two duties have been taken over by a recently purchased larger tarctor. Because the 6080 is fwa it is kind of comparing apples to oranges but I can give you my educated guesses on how your match-up would compare. Based on the amount of sound insulation I have seen on aftermarket cabs like year-round or hiniker I would guess the 185 cab to be less comfortable than the 6080 for long term use. The 185 has the wet power director for controlling snow blowing speed, but being hydraulically actuated unlike the D seiries I find it a bit harder to fine tune the speed control for long stretches. As was mentioned the 3-range tranny in the 6080 gives plenty of speed options, although being a ceramic button clutch (I think) the foot clutch on the 6080 is not meant to be slipped for large amounts of time. For cuttting hay on level ground I would say both tractors would be equal, unless the 185 has a manually shifted PTO which utilizes the foot clutch and thus requires stopping forward motion to engage. Our 185 has the hydraulic PTO shifter which lets one engage the pto at any time. I have never used our tractors for the same job but I would think fuel economy would be a bit better in the 6080. The one major thing of course to look out for on a 185 would be that the transmission is tight. The major major thing to look out for on a 6080 is if, depending on the serial number, the engine has the retrofit external engine thrust bearing or that is after the serial number break and has the updated internal thrust bearing. If it has the external bearing check whether it needs replacing or not. Hope that helps some. Mike |
Posted By: AC Nut
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2011 at 11:35am
| The biggest reason for the importance of the cab is my son is with me much of the time and wants to be on the tractor with me. I have a WD, D17 and Kubota M7040 (none of which have a cab). I don't feel comfortable with him on the tractor w/o cab. My preference is the 6080 even though it is much more expensive. I was actually looking at a 1988 Kubota 6950 DT in TX with MFWD, but has a cheaper aftermarket cab for about the same price as Wisconsin 6080. I know the safety experts say not to have anyone else in the cab, i know it would be safer than a tractor w/o cab. Thanks for all the wisdom. |
Posted By: Jim Lindemood
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2011 at 12:21pm
| Looks like you answered your own question. |
Posted By: Eric[IL]
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2011 at 12:32pm
| I second Jim's reply in that your decision for your son's safety is a must. The 6080 cab will do it better than any 185 cab, because the 6080 is quieter. It will cut down on both of your hearing losses - your son will thank you some day... |
Posted By: klyant
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2011 at 12:43pm
| I have a OEM waterpump kit on the shelf for a 6060-6080. I'd sure like to find a new home for. |
Posted By: tcorbett
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2011 at 1:03pm
We "upgraded" from a 185 to a 6080 two wheel drive. We use our 6080 for discing, drilling, cutting hay, and baling. Definitely less wear and tear on the operator as compared to
the 185.
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Posted By: Creek Jenkins
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2011 at 1:03pm
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7000 open station sold at auction near here last Saturday for $3950. They didn't say what the hours were.
Looked in pretty good shape (I only saw the pics) but lack of cab I imagine is one reason for the price.
cheers,
Creek
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Posted By: AC Nut
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2011 at 2:11pm
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Thanks for all the input. I think I dreamed of having a 6080 since a child. Let me know if any of you find any good deals on one. |
Posted By: AdamA
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2011 at 9:32pm
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Both my kids (3&5) ride with me in the 6080 and are very comfortable; the ultimate babysitter though is the 8030 have had both of them take naps while baling!!! they don't know how good they've got it.....I grew up on the fender of a d-17!!! ------------- 57'D-17,78'185,83'6080,76'7040,84'8030 FWA.02'Dodge cummins |
Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2011 at 9:46pm
| A 190 or 200 with a cab works good also when you have to babysit lots of room on that flat platform but maybe not quite as comfortable as 6080 cab. I thought you should not slip the hand clutch on 180 thru 200 as it warps and cracks the plates, seemed like on the wd you could ride the hand clutch all day baling hay. |
Posted By: AC Nut
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2011 at 7:32am
| I am afraid if I don't get one with front wheel assist, I will be sorry. I think that would boost the price a bit. |