Gotta love those quick sale paint jobs
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Topic: Gotta love those quick sale paint jobs
Posted By: C. Burnett
Subject: Gotta love those quick sale paint jobs
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2011 at 9:54pm
| I don't know if anybody else thinks some of these paint jobs are deal breakers but they cause me to just pass on by. Seems like I see more and more old tractors for sale that have been painted and they didn't tape anything off. We have paint on the tires ,the lights, over the decals, the grease, and even the ground is the color of the tractor because they just took a picture where they painted it. Yes, they do advertise it as new paint and if you are lucky it is the right color. If you are looking to restore this tractor you know ahead of time that you have to take all this off. Now if I see this I just move on. I'm sure I miss some good tractors but I won't miss these paint jobs. |
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Posted By: Ages Cat
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2011 at 9:56pm
| I passed a brand new Case Front End loader coming out of the Fargo, ND plant today and that had all kids of overspray on the tires.??????????????????????????????? |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2011 at 7:27am
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I know what you mean. There is a guy who does that near my work. The paint jobs he does are the type that only look good to "A man riding by on a galloping horse". ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: R.W
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2011 at 8:51am
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Have any of you ever seen the people that use a brush to paint I almost puked when I saw some pictures of them! ------------- In Search Of: 1958 Allis Chalmers D17 Diesel serial #9643D |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2011 at 10:09am
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I had a Ford 8N that had been painted with a brush using white chalking house paint. It didn't rust much while I had it and it sold better with new tires and the air cleaner vent painted with spray can liquid galvanize. It did chalk off some of the white the years I had it. I've seen implements like a hay rake spray painted over the grease at the sleeve bearings on the reel and over dirt build ups. I didn't bid on them at the sale. Gerald J. |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2011 at 10:18am
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I saw a car one time painted with a string mop so every string pulled along the body showed. I think it was with latex paint also. My jaw just dropped when I saw it drive by. Cheap, yes. Good, not so much. ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: AaronSEIA
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2011 at 11:37am
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Try watching some of the old AC promotional videos. I've seen overspray all over what should be new WD's in AC's own films. I kind've think we care far more now about a paint job than they ever did.
AaronSEIA
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Posted By: ChuckLuedtkeSEWI
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2011 at 11:58am
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I have a nice four place horse trailer I bought last fall at an auction for $225. Great tires all the way around, great floor. Needs new wiring harness and a paint job. Did I mention it is pink, yes pink. I think it was an orange or red and it faded. The guy who sold it there couldn't believe it didn't sell for more. I myself thought I got a screaming deal. But I haven't had the nerve to pull it back out of the yard until I get a new paint job on it. It is the ugliest thing I have ever seen. ------------- 1955 WD45 diesel 203322 was my dad's tractor, 1966 D15 23530, 1961 HD3 Crawler 1918, 1966 D17 IV 83495, 1937 WC 41255, 1962 D19 6221 |
Posted By: AllisChalmers37
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2011 at 12:00pm
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I've seen it done alot at auctions. From a distance the tractor looked really nice but up close you could tell very quickly that it wasn't much. Paint on the tires, the engine was still caked in diesel fuel and oil but they just painted over it, they didn't even bother to spray the underside of the hood. I was already uninterested because it was a MF but what they wanted for it was almost humorus. ------------- 1937 WC, 1950 CA, 1959 D14, 1967 190XT, 2006 Ram 3500 |
Posted By: Adam Stratton
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2011 at 3:15pm
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I've heard people say those tractors "look good from far, but far from good" and I have to agree. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2011 at 5:16pm
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I've always been disappointed with 'restored' tractors( or cars..) where the tires were NOT removed before painting.No one can tape and paint rims to a 'restored' condition,you'll always see the tape line, or rust streaks in a month or two once rain hits it.To me it's a 'cheat' and I wonder what else did they not do properly( rebuilt engine work ??). As far as painting with a brush, I do a lot of lawn tractors and utility trailers(to pay for my oranges) and I can lay down oil based paint that looks like a power coat job.I finally learned the trick my mother new decades ago.When I tell people, two coats( primer and colour) by hand they shake their heads in disbelief, but I show them the cans and the $1 brushes I use.It can be done, I do it all summer long.Nice thing is no overspray,no cleanup of guns,and cheap !------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: junkman
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2011 at 6:55pm
| I've been there done that. One I remember most was the time I painted a john deere walk behind plow as it set in the auction row. It was cold and miserable that day and I always wondered what the buyers hands looked like when they picked it up. |
Posted By: wkpoor
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2011 at 8:25pm
| Detail for retail, 6 pack paint job. What ever you call people assume shiny sells. And for me I would rather have a lightly rusted original in good shape than all of the above mentioned. I've pissed off more than one seller when I told him he just ruined a perfectly good tractor and actually devalued it with a 6 packer. |
Posted By: DonBC
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2011 at 11:43pm
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Years ago I stopped by a weekly car and truck auction. The vehicles were the type a dealer would take in trade but get rid of them through an auction house as they weren't worth the trouble of trying to sell on the lot. There were a couple of tractors there and there was a small International crawler there that someone had mounted a FEL for a tractor on it. It had been splashed with a fresh coat of paint but no amount of paint would have been able to disguise the chewing gum welds that were used to mount the loader. I could just see the first time the loader was pushed into a pile of dirt half the welds would fail. ------------- Jack of all trades, master of none |
Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2011 at 11:53am
| You just wonder about the tractors when they come to a consignment sale with a fresh coat of paint and haven't done a single thing, you wonder what the condition of it was before the paint. A frend use to do that with a tractor every now and then for some extra income but he would use them a little bit after he painted them so to take the fresh off the paint. they had some at saint ann sale with fresh paint that made you wonder,would rather see them with polished up old paint. |
Posted By: Nathan (SD)
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2011 at 12:19pm
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Dan nailed it on the head. People see new paint as camoflauge. I am immediatly suspect of any machine with new paint. For too many years the DuPont overhaul was a way to BS people into buying a junk tractor. Prospective buyers thought that only a mechanically sound machine was worthy of new paint. Now after millions of horror stories, new paint is a badge of shame.
The same thing happened with the suit and tie. It used to be a sign of integrity and respect. Crooks caught on to the fact that if they dressed nice people would deal with them. Now when you see a guy with a suit and tie your first thought is, " what is he trying to pull over on me " . |
Posted By: weiner43
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2011 at 2:15pm
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I sat in my truck by the road watching a guy painting a car with a paint roller. ------------- God bless our troops and the United States of America. Pick your rut well, you may be in it a long time. |
Posted By: Boomer
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2011 at 4:03pm
| I am guilty...I don't mask the tires. I don't have the money to take the tire off the rim, and all of my tires are probably older than I am. However, I do use special tire paint after I am done over spraying! Looks great and also adds protection to the tires from UV light. |
Posted By: DennisA (IL)
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2011 at 4:46pm
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Lets face it, we are very picky when buying. We want everything to be perfect. We are spoiled. When my great-grandfather bought his first tractor (which was a 1938 "WC") he was looking for getting more work done not the paint job. He want a well built tractor not a great paint job. At auctions I have seen equipment that looks good but needs work sell for more than others that need no work but looks a little ruff. Paint don't cost as must as repairs.
I don't see my new car until it was delivered. I just told the dealer what I wanted for options and didn't care what the color was. Looks don't matter to me, performance does.
Just think how much cheaper things could be if we as a people wouldn't be as picky. ------------- Thanks & God Bless Dennis |
Posted By: wkpoor
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2011 at 6:38pm
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Cheap way to keep paint off tires is to just break the bead, stuff news paper all around and then reinflate. Reverse to remove paper. But if money is an issue with a restore why do it in the first place?
If you want to make an old tractor look better and preserve it at the same time take a pump up sprayer, thin down some motor oil with kerosene and spray it all over the tractor. Let dry in the sun. It will look better than a crappy paint job.
And lastly, some paint jobs can actually harm functionality. Like the ones that just paint over everything, gauges, distributors, ect. If you don't want to take the time or money to do it right, don't do it. You'll be ahead in the long run.
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Posted By: Osage_Orange
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2011 at 11:18pm
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At machinery auctions around here, the sellers used to spray diesel fuel on the equipment a day before the sale. Looked better than a "drive by" paintjob. You could still smell the diesel, but the stuff sold. ------------- Why is there never time to do it right the first time, but always time to go back and fix it? |
Posted By: Mnfarmboy
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2011 at 5:08am
| Years ago when I worked for a dealer selling "Red Equipment" their top salesman carried a can of kerosene , he was always giving his used stuff a "new" paint job with that kerosene and a rag. |
Posted By: mike 44
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2011 at 6:19am
| ...... not only the paint job but when you go to look at a tractor or truck and they just changed the oil in it... fresh and clean... i want old oil to see what could be in there.. makes me wonder |
Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2011 at 6:42am
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In Jersey, we call them "60 footers". Some look great from 60 foot, till you get closer. To me, if I'm looking at a certain model Tractor to buy, and it has a 60 foot paint job on it, as long as the Tractor is complete, I'm gonna go through it top to bottom anyway when I do the resto, so it doesn't matter to me. The 60 foot paint job will get stripped away whether it was done with a brush, roller, or whatever. You guys are right though, some of em' really look pretty "grim" looking.....
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Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2011 at 3:46pm
| I would rather see a kerosene shine job on old paint then to see everything on the tractor with fresh paint. |
Posted By: R.W
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2011 at 4:58pm
Me too at least then you know what it looked like. But in some pictures it looks like fresh paint! ------------- In Search Of: 1958 Allis Chalmers D17 Diesel serial #9643D |
DanWi wrote:Posted By: Allen Dilg
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2011 at 7:48pm
| I purchased a 50' RESTORED tractor that I use for a lawn ornament, looks real good at 50' |