Need a CE block
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Topic: Need a CE block
Posted By: MNLonnie
Subject: Need a CE block
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2011 at 7:40pm
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The catch is it has to have the serial # on the back where the BE # is located. Anybody have one that they would sell? ------------- Waukesha B, B, IB, G, styled WF, D15, 615 backhoe, 2-Oliver OC3's, 4 Ford Model T's, 3 Model A Fords, AV8 Coupe, AV8 Roadster, 1933 Ford Wrecker |
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Posted By: wkpoor
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2011 at 9:15pm
| Educate me, I have possibly 3 CA blocks and 1 B block to sell. |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2011 at 9:23pm
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I didn't know there was such a thing. Did they stamp them both places after the CE block came out?I'll have to look at my "spare" block. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: morton(pa)
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2011 at 9:32pm
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So it has to be a mid 40's block... I too want to hear an explanation. I never knew such a thing existed... Why so particular? Doing a restoration down to every detail?
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Posted By: JimD
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2011 at 9:34pm
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Can't say that in all the tractors I've salvaged out, I've ever noticed a CE serial number in the BE location. Maybe I just didn't look for it.
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Posted By: Bill Deppe/AC Salvag
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2011 at 9:37pm
| Just disassembled a CE block this week and had the sn on the back like the early WC's. It didn't have the generator bosses. |
Posted By: wkpoor
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2011 at 10:46pm
| I have a block without the gen boss. I'll have to look. Strange as it is it came on a CA. Obviously a motor swap sometime back. |
Posted By: MNLonnie
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2011 at 5:52am
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It is for a restoration of my Model C serial #30. The block that is in it is a CE with the serial # on the back but it also has generator bosses. We tried to repair the original block but the machine shop says it's too far gone. Maybe I'm being too anal about the restoration but the serial # in the back adds to the uniqueness of the tractor, since model C's are not highly collectable I'm not sure it's worth restoring unless it's as close to original as possible. Does anyone know if BE blocks were made with generator bosses? ------------- Waukesha B, B, IB, G, styled WF, D15, 615 backhoe, 2-Oliver OC3's, 4 Ford Model T's, 3 Model A Fords, AV8 Coupe, AV8 Roadster, 1933 Ford Wrecker |
Posted By: john2189
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2011 at 2:03pm
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I have two Bs, the 42 has the be and the 45 the ce and a parts 41 c that has the ce and they all have generator bosses. as far as i know they are original ------------- '41 Allis B '45 Allis B '49 Farmall Cub '72 IH Cub |
Posted By: 1946WP
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2011 at 2:25pm
| I'll have too look , I've got a couple of blocks out here , not sure what they came out of. I'll check to see where the ser# is. |
Posted By: 1946WP
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2011 at 3:05pm
| just checked lonnie, there both ce blocks w/ the ser# on the flange I also have a C ser# 1613 & the engine ser# is on the flange , Ser# CE1603G . that seems strange a lower ser# engine than the tractor. Could it be that they built the engines & randomlly put them in the tractors or it's been replaced with an engine thats that close. It has generator on it. |
Posted By: MNLonnie
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2011 at 3:58pm
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John, what's the engine serial # on yout '41 C and where is it located?
Bruce, that is odd to have the engine # lower than the tractor. I wonder at what point of manufacture they put the #'s on them. Maybe the tractor # is the last thing out the door and it got pulled out of line for some reason after the engine was installed so it lost it's spot in the order? ------------- Waukesha B, B, IB, G, styled WF, D15, 615 backhoe, 2-Oliver OC3's, 4 Ford Model T's, 3 Model A Fords, AV8 Coupe, AV8 Roadster, 1933 Ford Wrecker |
Posted By: Chalmersbob
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2011 at 8:59pm
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The BE block started in the mid 40's with the generator mounts. All CE blocks had generator mounts. It would have to be a very early CE block to have the serial # where the BE # was. I never heard of that before.
What is wrong with the block that you have? Is it cracked? Bob
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Posted By: MNLonnie
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2011 at 9:22pm
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My block is CE 35 G and it's stamped on the back. I was thinking 1942 was the last year for the BE block. My block was cracked between all the cylinders which is common enough but it had a vertical crack in the water jacket that allowed the top of the block to shift in height so the only way to save it (according to the machinist) would be to machine the whole top side down flush and then cut new grooves for the sleeves to set into but that would cause other problems with the sleeves setting too low in the block (compression and clearance issues). I might get another opinion from another machinist but like I said earlier it is just a model C so I can't go crazy throwing money at it and machine shops know how to charge for stuff like that. ------------- Waukesha B, B, IB, G, styled WF, D15, 615 backhoe, 2-Oliver OC3's, 4 Ford Model T's, 3 Model A Fords, AV8 Coupe, AV8 Roadster, 1933 Ford Wrecker |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2011 at 9:46pm
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Get you a CE block and mill the back pad so you can stamp what numbers you want on it. Take a grinder to the flange to remove previous numbers and work it over with a scaling needle. As long as you don't tell, nobody will know.LOL ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: R Aiken
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2011 at 6:46am
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CTuckerNWIL wrote:Posted By: MNLonnie
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2011 at 7:12am
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That is probably what I will end up doing. In the end it's still another tractor saved. ------------- Waukesha B, B, IB, G, styled WF, D15, 615 backhoe, 2-Oliver OC3's, 4 Ford Model T's, 3 Model A Fords, AV8 Coupe, AV8 Roadster, 1933 Ford Wrecker |