Value of burned ac's
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Topic: Value of burned ac's
Posted By: JohnCO
Subject: Value of burned ac's
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2011 at 10:09pm
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I got a call from the owner of the two AC's that burned a week or so ago. A fairly early D17 and a D14, didn't look at the sn's. They got hot as the tires are pretty much burned off but I wonder how bad the insides would be. I tried to post the pics earlier but didn't do a good job. I had offered scrap price for them, any idea what that would be? TIA ------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2011 at 6:30am
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D-14 weighs in about 3500# from what I recall, 500# WAS tires ! If local scrap is $200 per ton, only worth $300-350. I'd offer that, max out at $400 , and be smiling all the way home if I got it for $400.Great source of parts,if not rebuildable,'easy' to sell off the good stuff.Remeber though , times are tough, and ther's more 'scrap haulers' now than ever, so they will NOT last long! I'd grab the D-14 if I was closer !! ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: ChuckLuedtkeSEWI
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2011 at 8:36am
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Someone on here about a year ago rebuilt a WD45 if I remember right that had burned. Hopefully he will see the post. I would think if just the tires got it, and didn't completely burn off, you should be ok. I would see if either of them still turn over. Like Jay said they are a good source of parts, and if they were in running condition before the fire, I wouldn't hesitate to give a hair over scrap for both of them. Push comes to shove, you got alot of really good parts to help everyone else's projects out, and the whole tractor doesn't end up in China. I'd even go so far as to take a good starter over there if you got something off of one of yours that would bolt up, and jump it with some new wires and a new battery and see if you can either to turn over. If they turn over and oil pressure comes up on the guage(if still there) I would think it wouldn't take much to get them up and going. Might have some seals here and there to replace cause of the heat but that you can work on over time. Good luck. ------------- 1955 WD45 diesel 203322 was my dad's tractor, 1966 D15 23530, 1961 HD3 Crawler 1918, 1966 D17 IV 83495, 1937 WC 41255, 1962 D19 6221 |
Posted By: wbecker
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2011 at 10:04am
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I had a VAO Case that burned right after filling the tank. It burned the tires off, all the fuel burned, it looked like scap. Nothing was hurt internaly, just needed cleaning, new tank, paint, and all the wires. ------------- Allis B, IB, Low B, G, D10, JD M, 8KCAB, C152 |
Posted By: AC WD45
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2011 at 10:14am
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Remember, those blocks are meant to get hot, they are built to withstand a lot of heat, and I'm sure they'd mbe worth a couple hundred, even more. A guy on ATF is rebuilding a John Deere D that was nothing more than a rear axel housing when he found it, then before he could pick it up a construction company burried it. He had them dig it upa nd now he's going to rub it in their faces when it's new again. In other words, if you've got a frame, IT CAN BE RESTORED. it just depends on how much work you plan to put into it. I know a guy who re built an Oliver 77 after his barn burned. Still uses it on his farm today. ------------- German Shepherd dad 1957 Allis Chalmers WD45 #WD234847 1951 Allis Chalmers WD #WD88193 |
Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2011 at 11:28am
| It depends on how long it was in the fire. If the seals inside didn't burn up, it is probably cosmetic, wires and tires. |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2011 at 12:07pm
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Yep, I agree... cosmetic- wires, tires, and paint. As long as they haven't been sitting so long that they're seized up, I'd say check the oil, check seals, roll it over a few times, roll 'em into the shop and dig in... once you can see what'ya got, THEN decide what to do. I'm certain they'd be worth more than scrap iron value. |
Posted By: ToddSin NY
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2011 at 2:57pm
| Make sure when your working on them to leave the cover alls in the shop. That burn smell will carry in to the house in them and is very hard to get out! |
Posted By: HagerAC
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2011 at 3:56pm
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I am in the process of rebuilding a super 88 oliver diesel that was in a fire, and nothing was hurt bad, just new wiring, had the fuel pump rebuilt, and tires and soon paint. I would say these tractors you are looking at may have a chance to be rebuilt also.
------------- 30+ A-Cs ranging from a 1928 20-35, to a 1984 8070FWA, Gleaner R52 |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2011 at 4:43pm
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The owner called back this morning, wanted $800 for both. I said OK. Took my hook lift bed and trailer over, her SIL is supposed to take the farmhand loader off and load them for me. The D14 is the worst, it was at the back of the barn behind the D17. The aluminum on the engine all melted, plugs even broke, probably from the water the fire dept sprayed on them. I've got a D14 with a bad 3d gear, hopefully this one will be better. Rims may be ok but they aren't PA. Hard to say about much of the rest but the castings should be ok. The D 17 fared better, although the tires are burned off it the front of the tractor is much better, the engine doesn't look bad, dash is burned but I'm thinking the insides of the transmission are ok. Oil looked alright. I'll look them over a lot more when I get them home but at this point I'm thinking the D14 is parts at best but the D17 might be restore-able. I'll take more pics and MAYBE figure out how to get my computer to post them. Thanks for all your advice, I may have paid a bit too much but at least they won't be on a slow boat to China in the near future at least.
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Posted By: ChuckLuedtkeSEWI
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2011 at 6:16pm
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John, if you want to email me the pictures, I would post them. Itching to take a peek at them!! ------------- 1955 WD45 diesel 203322 was my dad's tractor, 1966 D15 23530, 1961 HD3 Crawler 1918, 1966 D17 IV 83495, 1937 WC 41255, 1962 D19 6221 |
Posted By: ChuckLuedtkeSEWI
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2011 at 6:17pm
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By the way, I may have to pay you a visit next year. My niece is getting married in Denver next August and we're gonna make a road trip out there for the wedding. ------------- 1955 WD45 diesel 203322 was my dad's tractor, 1966 D15 23530, 1961 HD3 Crawler 1918, 1966 D17 IV 83495, 1937 WC 41255, 1962 D19 6221 |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2011 at 9:49pm
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Chuck, Our show is the fourth weekend (plus Friday) of August, so if you can get your daughter to plan the wedding right, you can hang out with us and 200 plus tractors. Not as many AC's as I'd like but a good selection.
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Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2011 at 10:28pm
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Posted By: ChuckLuedtkeSEWI
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2011 at 5:55am
Here are some pictures that John sent me:
   ------------- 1955 WD45 diesel 203322 was my dad's tractor, 1966 D15 23530, 1961 HD3 Crawler 1918, 1966 D17 IV 83495, 1937 WC 41255, 1962 D19 6221 |
Posted By: B26240
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2011 at 7:15am
| Just my thot if they burned inside a building they are junk if they were outsid then you may have a rebuildable tractor. |
Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2011 at 7:26am
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My uncle had a WD-45 burn in a barn fire in 1964. It was rebuilt and served him well until it was lost for the second time in a shed fire in 2002. He was badly burnt saving his D-17iv and died of a heart attack a month later in hospital. Had he survived, I would have rebuilt his tractor a second time. It takes a lot of heat to cause a lot of internal damage. ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2011 at 9:06am
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Judging by the thin quantity and distribution of charred debris, it looks like there wasn't much barn to burn... probably worst thing goin' was the tractor tires and whatever fuel was still in the tank. Oftentimes, if there's a rubber hose in the fuel line, that'll burn through, and burn under the tractor... that's when it's a good thing to have the fuel petcock shut off, or an empty fuel tank. If there's still oil in the sumps, it didn't get that hot... and it didn't get that close. It takes lots of heat, and a LONG exposure time, to get the heavy iron castings so hot that the oil burns out. Lookie that sheet metal- the Allis-Chalmers emblem is still visible through! That's one awesome loader... wonder what the upper lift limit is... gotta be pretty darned tall. |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2011 at 11:38am
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Thanks Chuck for posting the pics. There were 500 bales of hay stored in the barn. They pulled it out with a loader during the fire. City of Longmont Fire dept. got there pretty fast and poured a lot of water onto it, turned it over to the Hygiene Volunteer Dept. after they got it knocked down. I don't know if there was much gas in the tanks, would think they would have blown up if very full. the back of the D14 is the worse, the tube on the post hole digger actually bent with the heat. Looks like the back of the barn got hotter. No one knows what started the fire, neither tractor had been run for months, maybe a short in the D14? There have been some car arson fires within a couple miles in the last few weeks. The Farmhand loader, which the SIL is getting, will lift about 15'. They were pretty popular around this area. I'm thinking the D17 is fixable, the D 14 is just parts. ------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: skipwelte
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2011 at 4:40pm
| Rule of thumb on burned, if there is oil in the sumps, then its probably ok internally. If they are boiled dry, pure iron bacuse of the temper of the metal. this is from an old time salvage dealer years ago and I would say it holds true today. Good luck John. |
Posted By: TerrySWIA
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2011 at 5:43pm
| Those pictures bring back memories. A few years ago I had a very large and expensive fire. I lost, my shop, all my tools, and several trucks and tractors. Worst of all, I had no insurance. So I tried to clean up and save anything I could. To do it over again, I would have never tried, I would of hauled it all in for junk. That fire makes every thing brittle and takes the tempur out of the steel. I've cleaned up my tools, to where you can't tell them from new, but if you put any pressure on them, they snap. I wish you good luck. |
Posted By: Pat the Plumber CIL
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2011 at 10:50pm
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John are you sure that is a D-17? Could not make out shifter lever on tranny. Straight or curved.Seat may be in the way and I cannot see.
I am supposed to be going Elk hunting up by Fort Collins area in late Oct. Are you anywhere near? ------------- You only need to know 3 things to be a plumber;Crap rolls down hill,Hot is on the left and Don't bite your fingernails 1964 D-17 SIV 3 Pt.WF,1964 D-15 Ser II 3pt.WF ,1960 D-17 SI NF,1956 WD 45 WF. |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2011 at 11:34pm
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Pat, I'm about 50 miles south of Ft. Collins. Send me a PM when the time get's nearer and we can figure a time to meet. I'm sure it's a D17 because I could still see the decal on the left side. With the loader it looks bigger, would have been nice if it was a D19 as I already have two 17s. ------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: leeyn
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2011 at 12:25am
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I would think if just the tires got it, and didn't completely burn off, you should be ok. ..
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Posted By: Bill Long
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2011 at 12:31am
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I fully agree with Skip and others above. If there is oil in the sump the engine and transmission should be good.
We did get a B that was in a fire and Pop rebuilt it. Ran fine. Pop did not want to sell it cause he thought it may have damage in the bearings. We used it in our Victory Garden - remember them in WWII - till we got such good offers for it we sold it.
Great find though and a very good price. Let us know how it goes.
Good Luck!
Bill Long
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