Back row kids...( Ugly Tractors )
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Topic: Back row kids...( Ugly Tractors )
Posted By: Eddie(IL)
Subject: Back row kids...( Ugly Tractors )
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 9:50am
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How about a tribute to those poor old back row tractors, that never got their chance
in front of the paint gun, but would still give you a full days work if given the chance!
This one is a good starter...if you look closely, it's a 45 diesel with p/steering that we stumbled on to here locally. It had a wood bench seat in the cab, and even a heater.
The other is a little Ford 8N with the Funk mfg. 6cyl. conversion, we found a while back. Eddie
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Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 12:22pm
| man! they did alot of work...for a trip bucket loader tractor!! i'd take it! them little ford tractors look cute, but they have killed alot of people! everyone should have taken a class before operating them! |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 12:42pm
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Shameless, That is an 8N, I didn't know they caused a lot of deaths. The old Fordsons had a reputation of going over backwards but that was because of the geometry of the hitch point. I still hear people talk about the "dang worm drive making it tip up" but any differential can do that if you hitch too high and behind the axle.
------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 12:46pm
Eddie, I think my 45 is in that class.
------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: split51
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 1:15pm
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Tucker, I think shameless was refering to the PTO with attachments like a mower pushing people through fences and over ravines. ------------- 1929 20-35 sn17662 B1 w/snow blade B10 w/sickle mower B110 w/mower deck B110 w/tiller B112 w/grader blade B210 w/plo |
Posted By: HagerAC
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 1:19pm
Here is a pic of our D-19 gas. It served my uncle well as a loader tractor for probably 20-25 years with very little trouble. It has since been retired but we still use it around our place some. Hope to get it restored someday, but its gonna be a lot of work. ------------- 30+ A-Cs ranging from a 1928 20-35, to a 1984 8070FWA, Gleaner R52 |
Posted By: Eddie(IL)
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 2:16pm
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Never give up hope on anything...and always think ahead, even though it may seem like you'll never get there. Here's a before and after of this 1962 D19 we restored...
This is ugly!
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Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 3:27pm
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It was easy with the Ford N series to hitch a hard pull to the three point links that would rise and raise the pulling point to tip it over backwards. If it had an optional draw bar on the bottom of the axle that and it was used it was harder to tip if over backwards. It was often tempting to run a chain around the axle when pulling a stump and that was deadly. A neighbor rented a Ford, probably later than an 8N with a brush hog and hooked it on a stump. It smashed him against the mower hitch. He didn's survive but the tractor wasn't even scratched. Using a 3 point hitch on an Allis the same will make it tip the same way. Hitching a chain around the axle will tip the Allis faster than the Ford. The PTO was very easily solved with the SAME overruning clutch that nearly every other tractor of that era needed on the PTO. The N series was just way too light for real work. Gerald J. |
Posted By: Dave Richards (WV)
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 3:49pm
| I have been known to hook a chain to about every part of a tractor. Favorite is front axle on the D14 for light pulling of a rolling load. The N series Fords were great little orchard tractors. When pulling against a stationary object my dad showed us long ago to run the chain under the axle, over the transmission and hook back to the chain. This way you are pulling the front of the tractor down. (Be sure not to go over the brake and clutch rods or you get yelled at a lot. So I've heard!!!) |
Posted By: joegrgraham
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 4:00pm
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Maybe it's just me, but Hager's D19 looks lovely to me, every ding and scrape has a story, the tractors whole life is there, why go and bury it under pounds of filler and two-pack paint. I don't mean to put anyone down, Eddie's done a stunning job on his tractor, I just prefer the 'lived in' look. If it ain't shiny, you ain't afraid to use it for what it was intended. ------------- If it seems like a good idea, do it. It's easier to apologise than to get permission. |
Posted By: redline
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 4:31pm
------------- If it weren't for the last minute, I wouldn't get anything done! |
Eddie(IL) wrote:Posted By: Eddie(IL)
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 4:56pm
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No Lie, Redline...it's the same tractor. Once we got that nasty cab off it and removed the loader, the sheet metal wasn't that bad, and luckily, the previous owner had kept the fenders and grille. Thanks for the compliment.
Here's how the little 8N posted above, turned out...
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Posted By: wjohn
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 4:59pm
Dad's '52 WD (with WD45 decals). It's pulled our little pickup truck out a few times, moved plenty of dirt with the bucket, and bush hogged 7 acres every year. It leaks fluid from everywhere and the back rims are about to rust to pieces, but it still does the job and someday I want to give it a good restoration and hook the #53 plow to it. I can't exactly say that my B is pretty either. Hope to get it going this summer.  ------------- 1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45 |
Posted By: beeman
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 6:58pm
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That B has alot of potential!! Why the rare , {probably dealer special option}calico muffler system looks to be in excellent condition. {Sometimes my own B gets the grey striped version ...} ------------- 1949 B 3930 Ford- Have owned other Orange ,green,red,yellow,dark green tractors and equipment. |
Posted By: David Gibson (OH)
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 7:15pm
------------- David Gibson http://www.darkecountysteam.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.darkecountysteam.com 1956 WD45 |
Posted By: DREAM
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 7:35pm
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Eddie, I diddn't notice how much they raised the hood/grille until I saw the "after" pic. You did an excellent job. Lot of daylight between that hood and the head on that flat-6. ------------- I didn't do it! It was a short, fat, tall, skinny guy that looked like me! |
Posted By: Alberta Phil
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 7:55pm
This old girl can still do an honest days work and will never get in front of a paint gun as long as I own it!!
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Posted By: DREAM
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 7:57pm
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Phil, that's about as original as they get. She's beautiful just the way she is. ------------- I didn't do it! It was a short, fat, tall, skinny guy that looked like me! |
Posted By: Jeff-in-Kunkletown
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 8:08pm
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Yes sir Phil, that old girl deserves to be left alone. That 45 diesel with the cab looks almost like it factory. Wouldn't want one on mine, but whoever put it on did a nice job. ------------- Sucess is how high you bounce after hitting bottom. Gen. George S. Patton |
Posted By: Dave(inMA)
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 8:34pm
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I helped farm with an 8N when I was growing up here in Massachusetts. Neighbor had a couple of them. We made a lot of hay with them and grew corn for the cows. Made enough hay and silage to feed 50 dairy cows over the winter. All that work got done with those two little machines. I guess "real work" depends on where you are - here on the hill farms of New England would differ from out in the mid-west, I suppose! ------------- WC, CA, D14, WD45 |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 9:50pm
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Good choice Phil. I like the originals too. Everything I own has had some new, usually sloppy paint added to it at one time or another. I painted parts of the 45 when I had them off for repair more or less to keep the rust down. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 10:20pm
| yeah...what split51 says....been on soooo many rescue calls that that happened to the persons running them, not counting the ones i heard of around. |
Posted By: JPG AUSTRALIA
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 11:02pm
| hey WJohn that is acool looking cat on the b there,looks like its dancing on the hood! |
Posted By: wjohn
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 11:23pm
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Sorry about the cat, guys... I took those pictures maybe half an hour after the tractor was delivered, and the cat was already climbing around on it. I think she's stretching in that picture. She's pretty good company when I'm working on the B. ------------- 1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45 |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2011 at 1:27am
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A school classmate lost her mother when she hooked a chain on the upper link of a borrowed NAA Ford and had her other daughter pull her backword with a IH M. She didn't survive, the daughter has had a hard life since, divorced twice. Got to blame some of the problems on what she helped happen to her mom. In fact my classmate also divorced because of emotional problems.
------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: jb from md
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2011 at 1:24pm
This is my 55 wd45 i cant be without it long enough to paint it ------------- 8050 FWA, 190XT, 185, Styled wc, Unstyled wc, (2)C, (2)WD45NF, WD45WF, WD,416h, 716h, 312h, 8070 pedal. |
Posted By: tomdavison
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2011 at 1:49pm
| I agree with Dave(in Mass) We had a large number of farmers in NE Pa that had 8N and or 9N Fords. In most of these farms (dairy) this was the only tractor they had. These may hafe been too small for larger midwest acres, but were good little tractors in this area By the way, pulling trees or logs is dangerous with any tractor. We had a couple killed pulling logs with a M. |
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2011 at 7:39pm
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All my WD45's can't find a paint gun to make them look new and some of them last looked at one back in 1957. Boys that not rust on them, it's called pitiana! lol
Here's the one with the most pitiana on it. But she lives to cultivate corn. lmao
Don
 ------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2011 at 8:04pm
| Eddie, that D 19 is awesome!! The D 19 is one of my favorite Allis tractors, and that restoration job makes me like em more. darrel |
Posted By: Eddie(IL)
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2011 at 10:25am
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Hey guys, thanks for all the responses and the compliments. As much as I like restoring tractors, some are just meant to be left in their work clothes, ( Alberta Phil's is the prime example). Heck, even I prefer to be in my work clothes!
Seems I struck a cord with that photo of the 8N, and although 75% of our restorations are AC's, we've had a large demand for the little Fords. Even one, I'm proud to say that we did for the TV actor, Kirk Cameron in L.A., that he used in one of his movies. Most are wanted for show and work duties, folks that have 10-20 acres to maintain, but still want something to take the kids to shows with.
We have another 6cyl. Funk 8N in our shop now, and we're planning on refitting my dad's V8, 9N over to an 8N chassis this summer. Talk about safety issues, ( my father on a 130 hp 8N, with overdrive...I'd better start working on a Nascar style cage to put on it. Actually, any of the Funk conversions are fun, if you should ever get the chance to drive one. Here's a couple of pics of dad's Mercury V8,...have any of you ever seen a rear-mount Dearborn loader like this one. I included the pic of us with Kirk, outside his home in L.A. Thanks again, and post more pics, Eddie..
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Posted By: Alberta Phil
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2011 at 10:39am
| jb from md. That is a nice straight '45. It looks great in it's original patina. Leave the paint in the can! |
Posted By: Don(MI)
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2011 at 11:34am
Don, my opinion, NEVER let those 45's see new paint, they look awesome just the way they are!
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Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2011 at 12:01pm
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Eddie, My great uncle had a loader like that for his 8N. About 25 years ago I went looking for his disc. I found the guy he had sold it to but he wasn't interested in selling it back to me. He did mention he would sell "that" and pointed to a pile of iron with weeds grown up all around and through it. It was the loader that used to belong to my Great Uncle. I drove away that day disgusted that I couldn't buy the disc back and never once gave a thought to brining home the loader. My rear end is still sore from kicking myself ever since, whenever the subject comes up. OUCH!! Anybody got a working time machine? LOL Charlie ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: RichinWis
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2011 at 12:33pm
| I know that alot of you like the ones in thier original patina, but I really like them in a first class paint job, but I think it is a shame when they have to sit around in a shed doing nothing because the owner doesn't want to scratch it. So my vote is to make it look perfect and then take it out there and use it just as if you had gone down to the dealer in 1955 and bought a new one took it out to the farm and used it for everything you could imagine. Thats if I had enough money to do it. To me it would be so retro |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2011 at 12:45pm
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Someone had already gotten to my D17D in the past. It's a series 1 but has series 4 decals on it, and it looks like they used a brush and just painted over the original decals, paint, and dirt. I was surprised at how much paint came off when I pressure washed it. ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |