d17 diesel/gas conversion
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Topic: d17 diesel/gas conversion
Posted By: junkman
Subject: d17 diesel/gas conversion
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2011 at 10:39pm
| I drug in my first Allis yesterday and had a question that I thought someone could maybe help me with? It is a D17 diesel that someone converted to gas buy putting a 230 Budda in it out of a combine. My question is, does anyone know the draw bar HP this combination is putting out? thanks for any answers. |
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Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 11:47am
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That's kind of tough to say. The 230 diesel was used in the WD45, but usually the same displacement gas engine produced a few more hp. I'd be willing to bet it's going to be pretty comparable to an original gas D17. ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: junkman
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 8:17pm
| I just assumed that the HP would be more since the engine had two more cylinders, but looking at the factory gas engine, I see that the bore and stroke was bigger in the 4 cylinder. I think the Buda engine was rated at 72 hp but at a higher RPM. But boy it just purrs like a well loved kitten. can't wait to find a plow for it and try it out, but have to have a 18 inch to match the tire width. |
Posted By: TedBuiskerN.IL.
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2011 at 10:04am
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If it has 18.4-28's, a 16" bottom should be OK. ------------- Most problems can be solved with the proper application of high explosives. |
Posted By: junkman
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2011 at 7:04pm
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I thought it might work, but I have located a 18" 4 bottom slat plow for 250.00. Only thing is I have never used a slat plow before. Any prows or cons on slat plows? |
Posted By: Dipstick In
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2011 at 7:08pm
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My uncle used to have one and we could not tell any difference in plowed ground. But if you have old sticky gumbo that won't slide off a moldboard like we have, it will seldom gum up like a regular board. You will probably never notice the difference if there is any!! ------------- You don't really have to be smart if you know who is! |
Posted By: junkman
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2011 at 10:59pm
| It seems one question leads to another somehow. Never owning a Allis or even driving one in my 40years, my knowledge is limited. will a 6 cylinder d17 with good 18.4 tires and no wheel weights pull a 4 bottom plow? |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2011 at 11:55pm
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It should pull a mounted 4 bottom. The "Traction Booster" system is what they have for a draft sensing lift system. It probably would struggle with a 4 bottom pull type. The WD45 would pull 4 bottoms in most conditions. ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: Red Ranger
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2011 at 12:20am
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Oh yeah, it'll handle it, Dad's ol '58 D17 with the original 4-226 had 4 btms hung on it for years, 3rd gear, high range, it would just snort and go.
Also those 18.4s won't make a difference with 16" btms., plowin' in high 3rd, you'll be throwing plenty of dirt to fill in what they'd mash down.
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2011 at 6:57pm
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You must have had a lot of sandy and flat ground to easily pull 4 bottoms in high third?? |
Posted By: Tim-tn
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2011 at 7:42pm
| Hey Dr. been trying to send you a PM, says you have reached your max. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2011 at 10:12pm
| Well, I now just deleted 40 messages......so give it a try. |
Posted By: Chris/CT
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2011 at 10:14pm
| Dr, Time for a secretary?? |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2011 at 10:15pm
| Maybe.....or maybe I just need to be smarter than the device I'm trying to operate?? |
Posted By: Red Ranger
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2011 at 12:27am
As far as the hills, yes they did pull hard, but due to past erosion, rather than pull the power director back to low, and plow deep, which would only roll up clay, we'd just set the traction booster to raise the plow enough to keep going a decent speed, and still roll the topsoil over.
In those days (early to mid '60's) 17's were probably the single most popular tractor in our area, only outnumbered by IH's, I could name 5 or 6 within 2 mi. of the home place, and every one, that I know of pulled the same plow, same gear for "stubble/stalk ground", the only time we plowed a whole field in 2nd high was hard packed clover ground.
FWIW we haven't had a moldboard hooked to one of our tractors for over 20 years.
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DrAllis wrote:Posted By: Lester
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2011 at 5:28am
| The hp engine rating of a 230 g was 76 at 2300 rpm in a AII Gleaner. |