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Topic: What is your least favorite tractor?
Posted By: R.W
Subject: What is your least favorite tractor?
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2011 at 6:54pm
Any brand and model or just brand. What is your least favorite and why? I dont think i have one yet I would say john deere but i cant sense I have one!

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Posted By: abbaschild95
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2011 at 7:08pm
thats a harder question than what my favorite is!! i hate the kind that dont work. how bout that? haha

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Posted By: chllngr528
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2011 at 7:28pm
Belarus and kioti. Belarus becuase of the controls and steering. Kioti because they are gut less and rough riding. Long story short,  friend of the family bought a kioti,  I believe it was a DK90, and I ended up using to to bale with a gehl round baler. I can't remember the the model but I know it made 4x5 bales so it wasn't  very big. Anyways the kioti could barely pull the baler up the hill with a bale in it. Granted it may be more of a mountian then hill but I went back and got my grandfather in-law's 190xt and had no trouble.


Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2011 at 7:41pm

I spent 2 summers on a 7520 John Deere 4wd and hated it. That was the roughest riding hard shifting pos I've ever been on. we were farming irrigated corn ground and my kidneys still hurt to this day. It would rub the back side of your legs raw bouncing in the seat.



Posted By: Jack(Ky)
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2011 at 7:42pm
MF 135 gas.JP


Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2011 at 7:48pm
Farmall 560. most uncomfortable hunk of iron  made. dont know how many times scapped knuckles on throttle lever while turning steering wheel.

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Posted By: redline
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2011 at 8:09pm
anything Massey.
Yeah, I am a poor loser. (with a long memory)

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Posted By: allis1984
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2011 at 8:20pm
any and everything Green. Wouldnt farm with one if i were paid too.


Posted By: mark-east-tn
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2011 at 8:32pm
Massey ferguson


Posted By: Pat the Plumber CIL
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2011 at 9:20pm
An old boss of mine had a Ferguson TO 20. He loved it and thought it was the greatest thing since sliced bread.I don't know if I hated that tractor because of him or the tractor itself.He completely restored it and would have me and the other guys at work sand blast and clean parts when work was slow.I thought it was a pile of junk.
Also what good does a starter gear do?
What good does that do you as you are driving it into a fence with the bushhog because you can't stop with the PTO going.Just my 2 cents.

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Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2011 at 9:28pm
Pat, you could tell the guy they made overunning clutches just for the PTO on those tractors.
 My least favorite while growing up was the 770 Olivers that 2 neighbors had. 1. I disliked  the free wheeling underside of the torque. 2. the gears semed to howl like a coyote loud enough to drown out the fender mount radio. 3. the brakes either grabbed and locked up or wouldn't begin to slow you down. Now days I think the brakes just needed a little attention once in awhile and I would park a 770 in the shed if the opportunity came along when there was an empty spot in the shed.


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Posted By: Pat the Plumber CIL
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2011 at 9:37pm
It was an early TO Charlie and I do not know if that was available on that model.His 35 and 65 had the crappy 2 stage clutch that would stop the tractor but that 20 wouldn't.A later model clutch would probably fit,but that jerk would have left it that way

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You only need to know 3 things to be a plumber;Crap rolls down hill,Hot is on the left and Don't bite your fingernails

1964 D-17 SIV 3 Pt.WF,1964 D-15 Ser II 3pt.WF ,1960 D-17 SI NF,1956 WD 45 WF.


Posted By: Pat the Plumber CIL
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2011 at 9:39pm
Originally posted by Pat the Plumber CIL Pat the Plumber CIL wrote:

It was an early TO Charlie and I do not know if that was available on that model.His 35 and 65 had the crappy 2 stage clutch that would stop the tractor but that 20 wouldn't.A later model clutch would probably fit,but that jerk would have left it that way

You talkin about the mower itself Charlie or the tractor?


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You only need to know 3 things to be a plumber;Crap rolls down hill,Hot is on the left and Don't bite your fingernails

1964 D-17 SIV 3 Pt.WF,1964 D-15 Ser II 3pt.WF ,1960 D-17 SI NF,1956 WD 45 WF.


Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2011 at 10:16pm


i guess my least favorite was a David Brown 1200.  It had the two stage clutch, the pto clutch being attached to a lever.  If the pto was left disengaged the throw out bearing would burn out.  The tractor didn't have to be split, only the transmission/flywheel cover removed (about 80 lb of cast iron), to fix the clutch.  It only had six speeds forward, non syncro, not slow enough or fast enough.  The  hydralic system would loose it's prime, sometimes in 2 minutes sometime would work all day.  Finally found a pinhole in the inlet to the pump.  Good side was that it had good pulling power and ran cheap.  Sold it for about the same as I paid for it, around $1500.


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Posted By: m16ty
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2011 at 10:44pm
I think a Ford 8N is the most overrated tractor out there. They bring big money for a tractor that has no live power, awful hyd, and very underpowered.
 
MF and Ford are my worst with Ford being a little better than MF. They are ok for hobby farmers but are not built for the serious user. The older MF hyd aren't very good. The main thing that bothers me with both the MF and Ford is having to reach under the seat to operate the remote hyd on some models.
 
I do have a MF40 backhoe. I was leary when I bought it but the price was right so I couldn't pass it up. It seems the industrial equipment is better than the farm equip. It has a front mounted high volume pump for the loader and hoe that works great. The power steering isn't very good though. I thought there was something wrong with the PS pump until I talked to a MF guy about it. He says that's about as good as they get. If I can figure out how to mount a decent PS pump in the place of the old one I think I'll really like the machine.


Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2011 at 11:17pm
The overruning clutch was never part of the tractor, it goes ON the PTO shaft of the tractor and the shortened mower PTO couples to it. Allises needed it too if you used the foot clutch instead of the hand clutch for stopping.

The earliest MF used many parts in common with the 8N, but they got better and I've not have great problems with my MF-135 and its power steering works even with too big a loader on it. Now that I put it back tegether from it breaking the piston rod. And there were several different tractors called MF-135, with Perkins dieslel and sometimes gas made in US and UK, plus some US with Continental gas, UK with a Standard engine, and considerably different but still called a MF-135 made in France and Germany. Probably different yet made in South Africa and India where they are copied yet as well as in Eastern European countries. All were about the same size and engine rating and paint colors but little besides tires swaps between them.

Gerald J.


Posted By: Josh(NE)
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2011 at 11:22pm
Any Case painted white

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Posted By: ironac
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2011 at 11:25pm
i would have to go with a farmall 706 wf  that my uncle owns. it has a loader and a 3pt snow blower on it at the time and i had to use it to load a set of duals onto a trailer. powersteering didnt work and it seemed to barely run. worst tractor ever. always called it the frankenstein tractor eversince.


Posted By: farmer0_1
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2011 at 12:31am
dad used to have a to20 that was about the least usable thing i ever drove.


Posted By: Tricky Dickie
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2011 at 4:54am
The worst ever as far as I am concerned is a Field Marshall - a stationary engine on wheels! The Ferguson-Brown is a close second. 
Tricky Dickie


Posted By: Eric[IL]
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2011 at 9:54am
Anything that does not want to start when I need it...


Posted By: acd21man
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2011 at 9:54am
the comfort king CASE was a lie lol

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Posted By: AC720
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2011 at 9:56am
[QUOTE=chllngr528]Belarus and kioti. Belarus becuase of the controls and steering. Kioti because they are gut less and rough riding. Long story short,  friend of the family bought a kioti,  I believe it was a DK90, and I ended up using to to bale with a gehl round baler. I can't remember the the model but I know it made 4x5 bales so it wasn't  very big. Anyways the kioti could barely pull the baler up the hill with a bale in it. Granted it may be more of a mountian then hill but I went back and got my grandfather in-law's 190xt and had no trouble. [/QUOT E]  
 
I will agree with Belarus, my least favorite brand out there, I was unimpressed with a Brand New Belarus that I sat it at a Farm Show back in 2002. They were right across from the JD & CIH displays. Had a hard time getting in and out of the cab, it was too cluttered and the cheap plastic door handle broke off in my hand.
A Close 2nd would be those Ponton tractors that get shipped in a create from China. 
I will drive anything, but I would never own a Belarus.
Take Care Jason B


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Posted By: chllngr528
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2011 at 10:03am
Originally posted by ironac ironac wrote:

i would have to go with a farmall 706 wf  that my uncle owns. it has a loader and a 3pt snow blower on it at the time and i had to use it to load a set of duals onto a trailer. powersteering didnt work and it seemed to barely run. worst tractor ever. always called it the frankenstein tractor eversince.
 
Sounds like that 706 is in need of some maintence. I use to drive a 806 close to year around and never had a problem. In fact it is one of my favorite tractors. You can't fault a piece of equipment due to lack of maintence.


Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2011 at 10:55am
AC ,G is the hardest tractor to get on and off of


Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2011 at 10:57am
I'd guess I'd have to vote for my dad's '47 JD B.  That thing was gutless, hard to steer and rough riding.  I spent many hours cultivating 2 rows at a time with it in first or second gear...if I killed the engine I would have to go find dad to get it running again. Of course I was only around 8 years old at the time....and I might think it is ok now.  I find it kind of hard to not like any tractor.....

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Posted By: ALinIL
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2011 at 1:30pm
Least favorite is easy for me.  The Oliver 70 with a 2 row cultivator.  Putting on the cultivator was "A @#$%ing TASK".  Cultivate was a real task trying to keep it on the row.  The Brake pedals were the size of mushrooms and had little effect on stopping.
My second least favorite, I hate to say is the RC.  Had no power.


Posted By: AllisFreak MN
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2011 at 1:45pm
8N Ford. Dislike everything about it.

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Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2011 at 4:19pm
Anything that says Ferguson or MF. That "MF" does not stand for "Mighty Fine" IMO. N series Fords are about a 1/2 step up from there. The NAA or Jubilee might be better until you compare it to a Super 55/550 Oliver. I wouldn't mind having a 900 series Ford with a Select-O-Speed trans just to have though.

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Posted By: morton(pa)
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2011 at 5:06pm
Gotta say the Ford 8N and the international Cub we have here. Has a woods L59 mower deck on it and it about stalls out just when you turn that darn thing on! The fords just don't seem like they have much power at all and in my opinion really arn't comfortable to drive. 

I do also have a love/hate relationship with our Case 885 here at work. Thing pops out of gear when in reverse and never wants to pop into gear when you need it to!


Posted By: captaindana
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2011 at 5:41pm
I hear ya Charlie. I had an Olli 770. Gears were louder than the radio. The brakes on mine were exactly as you say...you try to get them to start braking...nothing happens...push more...nothing happens...push a little more and they practically locked up. They were adjusted fine; I guess it was just the nature of the beast. Oh...and to turn a sharp corner...forget that idea! I didn't hate it though, she was what she was.


Posted By: 427435
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2011 at 6:27pm
Originally posted by Lars(wi) Lars(wi) wrote:

Farmall 560. most uncomfortable hunk of iron  made. dont know how many times scapped knuckles on throttle lever while turning steering wheel.



Must have big hands.  I drove a 300, 400, and 560 and never had that problem.  Back in 1960, the 560 was quite a tractor and well ahead of the competition.

A neighbor had a Ford that was terrible for a 120 lb, 14 year-old to drive.  It was almost impossible to both disengage the clutch and apply the brakes when pulling a loaded hay wagon.  The only worse tractors of that era were the 2 cylinder JD's. 




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Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2011 at 7:16pm
Nothing wrong with a two cylinder JD at all. I have Allis-Chalmers and John Deeres both due all I ask of them. The WD45 can runs 3pt and hydraulics and so can the John Deere A. Both are very trouble free and very reliable, neither fail to start. I know many people that own and operate Allis Chalmers and JD two cylinders and they like both.

My least favorite is Farmall in general. Why? Because my dad has one, WD45 and A always shows it up.


Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2011 at 7:19pm
Case 1290 if I remember the number right. It was supposed to be 50 or so HP and it sure didn't feel like it. Pulling a litter spreader was a task for it. 

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'48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD


Posted By: DREAM
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2011 at 8:09pm
I like just about everything, but had a lot of trouble with neighbors MF 135 gas. Seemed to be working on it much more than driving it, and just don't like the clutch pedal. 8N kinda the same for me. When I was a kid, I used to drive the 8N that my grandad and his cousin had together. Had a FEL on it. Armstrong steering, and I had to stand up to mash the clutch and the brakes on it(course, I was a bit smaller then)LOL! Other than that, I can't complain.

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Posted By: MBwcIll
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2011 at 8:46pm
My father-in-law's wf JD720 with hand trip loader.  A far second would be the '49 IHC M (no power steering) my dad had.  At age 7 or 8 I was just too small to handle it, when it fell into ruts it would jerk the steering wheel out of my hands and the spinner knob would crack my hand or arm and hurt big time.  I was so glad he traded it for the D19.  But, I could drive the WC and WD just fine at that age.


Posted By: 7060
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2011 at 9:02pm
I would have to say Massey Ferguson even though ive never even owned one. Dont like the color. And as far as I know they never could even make there own engine.


Posted By: KenBWisc
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2011 at 8:43am
IH 454

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Posted By: Good
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2011 at 9:56am
Case DC can't see the drawbar when backing to hook something.Steering was terrible had an oldtimer tell me that it would rip your shoulders off discing plowed ground. To me it was overall a clumsy and dogy tractor.

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Posted By: Bob D. (La)
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2011 at 12:17pm
No qualifers needed. Brockway, the farm tractor, not the truck. Made an 8N seem good.

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Posted By: Kip-Utah
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2011 at 12:34pm
Any tractor that beats me at a pull!!!

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Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2011 at 12:34pm
I'm going to go with the IH 1086 as my least favorite. Probably the biggest reason being that my brother-in-law bragged the POS up to the hilt before I moved down here and started farming with him, and I had too high of an expectation of it. I would take my one-ninety XT over it for any job; bar none! The left hand side shifting mechanism really sucks, it drives like a cumbersome clumsy tank, and the short wheel base rides like a buckboard. The hydraulics are less than what my XT has, and its 15 years older, and are not even close to what AC tractors of the same era had to offer. It does, however start pretty well, and is not too bad on fuel. Darrel


Posted By: Reeseholler
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2011 at 12:44pm
Having an A, 8n, MD and an allis I guess I don't have much to rule out. I would probably say the Farmall Hydros. I like my pap's 666 diesel hydro but that thing is so noisy with that hydro whine all the time. The hydro is nice but I'll stick with gears just to save myself not having to hear the whine all the time


Posted By: nowversatile
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2011 at 1:23pm
Today, anything Massey Ferguson!


Posted By: kffischer
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2011 at 3:46pm
It does depend on the reference point for me.  For a farming/work tractor it needs to have independent pto and live (independent) hydraulics, along with standardized hitch/pto, and finally reliable and problem free.   Basically if it isn't modern enough (1970s give or take), i'm not gonna like it much when there is serious work to be done.  Guess i'm spoiled or have high expectations.  Less than 2 hydraulic remote outlets becomes a pain with newer implements, but it's not a deal breaker.

Now, I don't hate antique tractors (it is one of my passions) but there are some limitations from the modern production and safety viewpoint, so identifying and accepting the limitations is important.  I realize we are here today because of those machines and they can do alot of work if asked to just like the old days, however the equipment that matches typically did not fare as well as the tractor so if the tractor cannot be attached to a modern machine it is obsolete.  Thankfully there are  various conversion kits and add on parts out there to help fill the utility gaps in hitch and hydraulic attachments for many handy tractors.  However even with the add on parts, pushing the limits of an antique with lower parts availability is unwise.   Safety: hand clutches, transmission driven ptos, limited shielding, lack of walkways/steps etc.  If you have hired help or inexperienced help or perfect help anything bad can happen and you don't want to deal with that because even if it is the employee's fault, it will ultimately be your fault because it was your machine...

Deciding factors on any tractor for me are reliability and ease of use.  Attitude of a make's crowd also contribute.  If a particular tractor has a lot of cobbling or excessive inappropriate welds (why use a cotter pin, when you can lincoln lock it?) I will hate it.  If you can easily get tangled up operating or getting to the seat to use it, I don't like it much either.

My least favorite in the family is probably the caseih 685 (1985-1990, 62 pto hp):  The left hand shifting is awkward with a manual (if it was some type of shuttle maybe).  The exhaust is terribly loud for having such a large muffler on an open station--our older stuff puts it to shame for quietness (other similar models are the same way).  It was also a highway mowing rig originally, so it has 24inch tires and a brush mower permanently attached.  Many things are screwy because of the brush mowing equipment.  It was bought wrong, I thought my dad knew better.  The tractor itself is good mechanically but I estimate $1000 in parts to make it a normal farm tractor, excluding rear tires, rims, and wheel parts.  Even as a brush mower is difficult to use on the farm because there is no ground clearance and the smallest swell puts a rear tire off the ground.  I guess I could like it more if it were set up as an ag tractor, but the noise and left side shifting are hard to get used to.  If you write out the ergonomic reasons, left hand shifting makes sense on paper, but sometimes the complicated way (all controls on right) works better in reality.  I'd rather have a the stick(s) between my legs than at the left.

Second tractor is our 830 case gas, it was owned by someone that should not have ever plugged in a welder or fired up a torch.  Some good things going for the tractor design-wise but the previous owner ruined it.  The loader was worth the price of the combo alone so it was a good auction buy.  And it has saved our buts when another tractor has went down.

longer post than intended!

karl f


Posted By: bakwoodsfarm
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2011 at 6:11pm
would have to be the Belarus, that was the lightest most under powered tractor I've ever seen.85hp and would not pull a 10ft no-till up a 5% grade without spinning out.


Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2011 at 6:19pm
I think I might change mine to a JD 3010 I used helping out a friend. Don't know who designed the shift pattern on those things but it sure had me confused trying to sort through it. Didn't have guts to pull a tandem spreader with Litter.

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Posted By: Russ SCPA
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2011 at 7:42pm
JD   model D  there are times I think the leg pain, back pain and bruises from 40 years ago are still fresh.


Posted By: GADinMD
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2011 at 7:59pm
Silver King.  I have a friend in Maine who collects them, and he is welcome to the lot of them. I was never comfortable with sitting way out back with a single wheel up front and just all of the awkward configuration of the machine.

Ironically, our Allis dealer in Stamford, NY, started a big dairy around 1943 with one or two Silver Kings, but those we all he could get during WW II.  After the war he sold the farm and became an excavating contractor with all he could get, IH TD-9 and TD-14A.  About 1952 he took on an Allis Chalmers farm equipment dealership.  When he finally bought an HD-6 as an AC dealer for the contracting business, he found that it would outwork the TD-14A even though it was a smaller "class" machine.

I still think a Silver King is awkward.  A WD-45 WF is esthetically the finest example of farm equipment design.


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Posted By: klinemar
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2011 at 8:18pm
Any model JD two cylinder.Between the hand clutch and the un even power of the engine I dis like them ! Second would be a 1086 I H the tractor from hell!


Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2011 at 8:30pm
Originally posted by klinemar klinemar wrote:

Any model JD two cylinder.Between the hand clutch and the un even power of the engine I dis like them ! Second would be a 1086 I H the tractor from hell!


Ever seen a two-cylinder on coke bottles? The power of the engine is not "un even" it just sounds like it is. Not to start a debate but that is an argument that has been going on for years and it has been proven many times that most people are wrong.


Posted By: R.W
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2011 at 8:34pm
Something i never knew was that the 2 cylinder JD's had no power in road gear they couldent even carry there own weight up a hill!

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Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2011 at 8:36pm
I do not like a farmall cub or M  . I also dont like 8 and 9 n fords to work with but they trade well probably made more money trading them than any other tractor except a johndeere M .

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Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2011 at 10:50pm
I once tried a Belarus, walked around it, wasn't impressed with the workmanship.  Rough castings, poor paint job, kinda noisy.  When I chimed into the cab, the gearshift had me wondering what someone was thinking when they designed it.  I think it's kind of like a road ranger shifter but I couldn't find reverse for the life of me.  I ended up buying a Zetor 7745, not my favorite but certainly not my least favorite - the David Brown 1200 still gets my vote.

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Posted By: B26240
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2011 at 7:04am
Any IH with a TA


Posted By: JayIN
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2011 at 11:46am
Green and Yellow tractors.      Wait a minute,,,,.... I owned a 3020 and a 4020.....they were good.......oh, yeah! Its the owners at the shows I dont like! They think that they are better than everyone else with that smug attitude!( TO20 Ferg is a POS! )

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