Square balers???
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Topic: Square balers???
Posted By: bakwoodsfarm
Subject: Square balers???
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2011 at 5:45pm
| I am looking to get a new small square baler this year. I run all new holland equipment with a 311 as primary and a 276 and 268 as back-ups. Thinking about going to an in-line baler but have never used one. Any suggestions??? |
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Posted By: Dale-OH
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2011 at 8:49pm
| Inline baler will give you a even bale every time because of the pre chamber. We have sold a lot of them and get along great. |
Posted By: farmer0_1
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 1:10am
i own one now and have owned an inline for many years and i love it. the good the bales fall in your old windrow so no rolling bales. two. never a bent bale just keep the hay in the header . very wide header and no folding the tongue up to go thru a gate or down the road. don't care for unplugging it on my knees and boy it packs it in the prechamber. here is a photo of my buddy helping bale some teff hay very short and very fine. and i do get a kink in my neck from looking straight back. sorry for showing green paint.
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Posted By: naylorbros
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 8:30am
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We bought a small inline baler a year and a half ago when the Deere 224 wire tie broke a shaft and I did not have the time or parts to fix it as fast as needed. We bought the Challenger SB36, same as the Hesston 4590, because there are no other AGCO dealers with in 50 miles and I already had a very good working relationship with the local Cat dealer. When looking at this purchase we had both the 4590 and a Deere 348 on our property. We ran one each of the next two nights baling along with hauling the next day with a New Holland 1049 bale wagon. The 4590's bale quality was much better than the Deere. There was also no bales broken by the bale wagon with the 4590's bales. There were several bales from the Deere baler that were broken in the bale wagon. The 4590 will walk all over the Deere as far as speed is concerned. There was a learning process with the 4590s. I would not worry much about looking back at the machine. Drive straight down the windrow with your tractor and learn the sound of your machine when it is running right and you will only have to look back on occasion. Thanks Ken
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Posted By: wi50
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 1:58pm
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There's no reason to buy a baler if it doesn't say "proudly made in Hesston Kansas" on it.
We don't use a small baler much but still do some, John Deere 327, we've had New Hollands, and Deeres over the years. I hated every one of them compared to an inline, there's a few around here. I'd love to have a nice Hesston inline but for the little we do the Deere works, maybe I should just sell dads Deere and park a Hesston in the shed for him sometime.
The Deere and New Holland make some poor bales, you can make good ones but conditions have to be right with a constant feeding cross convey system, to much hay on one side or the other, top or bottom. With the Hesston and it's stuffer design, every flake is consistant density top to bottom and left to right. The Hesston plunger speed is also faster, It'll eat NH and Deeres and spit out scrap iron.
I've got a 3'X3' Hesston 4760 that I run a lot, I hope to get about 10,000 bales a year through it. Once you catch on to how it should click allong behind you and adjust your speed to match the stuffer/plunger relationshp for conditions it just plain works. Depending on how sticky or slipery hay is you can change things. If you are in poor hay it still works, large windrows, it just plain works in all conditions. I make a lot of silage bales, from 25% up moisture, I've baled hay in the rain, I've baled hay that was so wet the water was running out of the bale chute. Had some tests come back of 60-70+ % moisture. It's pretty much sourkraut after it's wrapped.
There's a little learning curve when going to the inline, but in the end it's a much easier machine to be around. Hessto, it'll take a lot down the throat before she chokes. ------------- "see what happens when you have no practical experience doing something...... you end up playing with calculators and looking stupid on the internet" |
Posted By: bakwoodsfarm
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 7:51pm
| I've looked at the new holland 575 and 5070, but I've been told that the metal in the bale chamber wears out real quick in about 50,000 bales, I make about 20,000per year. I would like to know how many have been through my 268 (2 dairy farms and 1 commercial hay producer)!!!!!! Thanks for the advice, I think I'll try to find an in-line. |
Posted By: rw
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 8:43pm
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We run a 1034 stackwagon and I can tell you that the length of the bales is better due to the 100 plunger stokes per minute Vs. 70 or so with our new holland 315. I had a neighbor make some bales with his Case-IH (hesston) and they went through the wagon really well. Also they will be more evenly filled on the sides as the cut side is on the bottom. I think they also beat other balers in gentler handling at the pickup. I couldn't see a great deal of difference in capacity. We learned that the wagon will pick up hay if the bales are made right then we learned how to make the NH 315 make a better bale. RW |
Posted By: wi50
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2011 at 1:28am
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this is a little bit off topic of your small square baler, but it's related to what rw said.
As I posted above, I hope to put about 10,000 big square bales through mine in a year. Of that a large portion is silage hay and I have 2 hay wrappers, one inline for round bales and one individual for square bales. I run John Deere round baler also and hope to get 5-10,000 on it in a years time also. Before I bought the big square baler though I wrapped with both wrappers for several different balers and still do. Bale shape and form is everything when wrapping. I wrap a lot of hay that other farmers or custom operators bale, we wrapped about 25,000 total between the round and square last year. Our best day, the guys and I wrapped 1000 bales in one run without sleep and baled a good share of them.
There's nothing like a Hesston bale on the square bale wrapper. The top corneres are solid and the bales flip and roll. We can wrap more in an hour when they are shaped well. The Hesston bales are nice every time. The New Hollands seam to have a 30% chance of makeing good ones, the tops just are not filled like the Hesston does. Sometimes you can't tell what baler they came out of and sometimes it's easy to tell. Running the squeezer, you can tell how dense the bales are, it depends on the type of hay, some of it just is squishy no matter what. Sometimes we can't get to the wrapping right away and depending on the type of hay, moisture and temp. the bales get pretty soft before they get wrapped. I have a lot of issues with soft bales not flipping on the wrapper table, with the Hesston bales even when they sit long enough to get soft they still flip. You can also tell in the stack after the plastic has shrunk on them, the corners are firm and the bales are square.
I think it has more to do with the shape of the stuffer chamber, and how fast the stuffer cycles. The Hesston has more taper from top to bottom of the stuffer, to allow for more hay on top of the charge. The linkage and drive for the stuffer also lifts the charge to the plunger in a progressively faster motion. starting slow and speeding up as it lifts.
The new series Hesstons when they came out, 2150 massey, 7433 agco balers at first had a fixed stuffer chamber on the side plates. My neighbor has one. I've got the old 4760. The new one will not make as nice of bale as the older ones in some conditions, but then the stuffer side plates came slotted after the first year of production, so more adjustment is allowed now which cured the problem. The new ones stroke 47 times a minute and the older ones are at 41. The new ones have a lot more capacity, and should make a better bale with more plunger inertia.
What I've seen over the years, all the jobs and places we have worked though is that the Hesston balers just plain work. When I bought one there was only two choices. A used Hesston or a new Hesston. ------------- "see what happens when you have no practical experience doing something...... you end up playing with calculators and looking stupid on the internet" |
Posted By: jmm
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2011 at 12:52pm
| I commercial hayed in the west and I had 3 of New Holland 3-tie inline balers.... never again. I had been a fan of the two-ties, and still use them now on small jobs, but I would bank on the Hesston. that said, I've been out of the loop for about 5 years. |
Posted By: farmer0_1
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 12:16am
| my buddy just bought a massey inline a clone to my hesston i think case is also the same and challenger all built if i get this right by agco |
Posted By: TexasAllis
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 7:28am
| I ran a Hesston inline bailing some wheat and really liked lt. I had not problems at all. |
Posted By: Dale-OH
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 7:32am
| Today the In line Balers are built as MF or Challenger. In the past they have been as Hesston, AGCO, MF, New Idea, and Case. NEW Case balers are NH Built. |
Posted By: farmer0_1
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 10:25am
| does that mean the new hesston balers are built by NH? or is there a new hesston baler to be had. |
Posted By: Dale-OH
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 10:33am
| New Inline balers are available. will either be red or yellow and say HEsston Series. |