Mack, Dr.Allis
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Topic: Mack, Dr.Allis
Posted By: mlpankey
Subject: Mack, Dr.Allis
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2011 at 6:59pm
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Rules down here are letting any agriculture motor into a 1959 tractor as long as its naturally aspirated and doesnt turn over 3000 rpms and speed limited to 12 mile an hour . The oliver boys with the 320 cross flow heads are happy. How hard is it to fit a 426 in the wd or wc frame . How hard is it to change to a gas engine also . I would like to make some cry foul. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
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Posted By: D-17_Dave
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2011 at 7:17pm
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I'll do some outside the box thinking here too for a second.
Before I got into wondering what could be done I'd look at the potential competition and see what your power to weight goals would need to be. Then you could decide what you'd need to shoehorn into your tractor.
Maybe you already have. Just a thought if you really want them to cry.
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Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2011 at 7:25pm
| A 301 diesel may do the trick , you can get a bunch o power outs that little motor |
Posted By: Allis Fields
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2011 at 7:31pm
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Ive seen where people have pu in a 301 into a d17. ------------- Allis orange blooded by family. Allis Diehard by choice |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2011 at 8:06pm
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yeah i have seen the 301 thats why i wanted to go bigger . I am not for sure the 301 has the cross flow head like the 426 does . Thats been the 320 wakeshaus advantage and the logic behind the rule . They also pull this class all the way up to 6500 lbs . On the few the proud the orange there is a 5/8 stroker crank and pistons to make 598 ci out of the 426. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: bradley6874
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2011 at 8:15pm
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426 in a diet d19 on gas makes you go hmmmm just wonder what up draft carb you would use besides big and what manifolds ------------- You can wash the dirt off the body but you can’t wash the farmer out of the heart and soul |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2011 at 8:15pm
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301 is a crossflow, but has shared exhaust ports.
------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2011 at 8:21pm
So use the same engine they are using in your Allis. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
mlpankey wrote:Posted By: bradley6874
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2011 at 8:25pm
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cant join them its got to be different or its not me whats the fun in being the same ------------- You can wash the dirt off the body but you can’t wash the farmer out of the heart and soul |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2011 at 8:42pm
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It had to be used in the same brand agriculture manufactureworld as the tractor. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2011 at 8:50pm
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I guess you should be able to drill/thread/machine the injector holes to accept a small spark plug similar to some modern (Ford Triton) engines. Cut the pistons a little to drop the 16 to 1 compression down a bit and regrind the camshaft to gasoline specs and rig up a belt driven governor to a carb that is attached to the intake manifold turned upside down.........yeah....should run good, but I'll bet 426 cubes ain't enough !!!!! Them Ollies are as big as 500 cubes in some towns I hear !!. |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2011 at 8:53pm
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how big can the 426 made ? I assume it can go bigger than the 598 ci. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2011 at 9:22pm
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I left you a message on another sight.
May have to build a flywheel small enough to go in housing. Use a MSD ing. with a rev. limitor won't have to run a gov. Give me a call at 660 828 4310 I can tell you alot more. MACK
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Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2011 at 11:57pm
| will a IH 500 some cu inch v-8 gas truck engine work? it's low houred as it was/is on a 90,000 generator! non turbo'd |
Posted By: wi50
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2011 at 7:18am
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think a little harder if it's legal to use an engine from a gleaner combine. Pretty nice heads. Individual cylinders. Cross bolted mains and a nice light engine to start with, aluminum cylinders and heads, cast crankcase. Think air diesel. ------------- "see what happens when you have no practical experience doing something...... you end up playing with calculators and looking stupid on the internet" |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2011 at 7:48am
| It just looks to me like this is a very stupid idea for a "new" tractor pulling class. Some moron in an effort to be the top dog will wind up trying to install an N14 Cummins (used in Steiger 4WD and JD 4WD's) in a model "B" or "C" allis or Farmall !!!!! I'd love to meet the insurance company who would even want to insure this class of home-made misfits !! |
Posted By: Good
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2011 at 7:50am
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Does that mean you could use the duetz engines or any agco engine presently used or the big N7 motor. What about the V8 cummins out of a 440. Should be able to use the sugar babe motor since they had a couple for ag. ------------- B212,716,two 314H's,WC,WD,D19,190XT |
Posted By: TexasAllis
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2011 at 7:54am
I am with you. Just don't be around when that homemade grenade goes off.
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Posted By: wi50
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2011 at 8:01am
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I sure wouldn't spend much time considering such a rule, it will eventually become a back to OEM type block and head. I'll stick with an engine more "correct" so when things change or one wants to pull somewhere else, sell it or what have you.
On the duitz, we had a V8, just shy of 800 cid in an R62 combine. I had it apart once to do some work. Nice engine, get rid of the oil cooling junk and diesel parts and it would be fairey light. Good heads to start with and no worry of hitting water, aluminum heads and blocks, individual per cylinder. What a sleeping gorilla. ------------- "see what happens when you have no practical experience doing something...... you end up playing with calculators and looking stupid on the internet" |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2011 at 10:04am
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I dont believe it will . To many 320 ci olivers running around . They may do a no v8 clause at some point in my thinking ,then again i understand they are some 500 ci Ih truck engines and dt 466 in 450 farmalls. . The reason for leaning toward the 426 inline six like the 320 walkadog. This duetz v8 wi 50 do you know the engine identification? ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: wi50
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2011 at 11:03am
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I think our combine had something like an f8l413 engine, I don't rember exactly. It burned and we were glad it was gone. It was an R62, twin turbo. Older ones were natural aspirated and around 230 hp. Thr big Duitz was a torque monster it would just about tear the engine out of the mounts in high load situations, mud, hills, etc. The Cummins was a dog compared to a duitz. Our new John Deeres don't have the torque backup the big kraut had.
R42 and I beleve 52 had a inline 6 cyl Duitz which may be a better cantidate than the V8 from the R62-72
301 and 426 engines are alright at best. I have not seen what the inline 6 cyl Duitz has to offer on top, but I like what the big brother has to offer. ------------- "see what happens when you have no practical experience doing something...... you end up playing with calculators and looking stupid on the internet" |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2011 at 12:07pm
| The Deutz in R42/R52 was a 374 cube displacement. The one from the BIG Deutz/Allis/White tractor was 584 cube in-line six. Don't forget the 800 inch Moline engine that was used for Agricultural purposes pumping irrigation water !!! Like I said, I think this class is doomed for fighting about rules and safety issues. I'd sure hate to spend 20 or 30K and kick tail for a year only to be banned the next season cause my combination was tooooo good! |
Posted By: Good
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2011 at 12:27pm
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Would allis ag crawler engines count, if so thats a big list including Detroits but I have yet to see one pull that was anything but loud. ------------- B212,716,two 314H's,WC,WD,D19,190XT |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2011 at 1:21pm
------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: klinemar
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2011 at 1:27pm
| I saw a Ford 500hp. Tank engine in a W9 International pull once it did real good.E.J .Potter of Ithaca Mi. used to pull Double Ugly with two Allison aircraft engines it was fun to watch him pull! This idea of putting big blocks in WC's or WD's sounds like an accident waiting to happen! |
Posted By: TexasAllis
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2011 at 2:25pm
Like I said "Grenades"......
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Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2011 at 4:16pm
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sheetmetal makes one appear to be what sometimes it is not. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: ACFarmer
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2011 at 5:32pm
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426's can be taken out to the 680 cube range.... ------------- Making a living farming with and working on Allis Equipment |
Posted By: ALinIL
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2011 at 6:56pm
Here's a 301 in a 45. Has a oliver wide front.
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Posted By: 7060
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2011 at 10:03pm
| If that 45 gets used on the farm I dont know how you would keep it cool with all that motor. |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2011 at 11:01am
------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Dans 7080
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2011 at 11:04am
| The White 2-150 had a 585ci engine. |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2011 at 11:06am
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7080 What would be your choice in a inline six? ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Dans 7080
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2011 at 11:16am
| I would stick with the 426, if it wouldnt be too much trouble. They are a good reliable engine, and if your class got canceled it would be a good start on a D21 or similar "farm stock" "super farm" or "hot farm". Around here most of the "out of field" class, have to let the turbo spool up and they pour the black smoke. Not exactly "out of field" |
Posted By: Larry(OH)
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2011 at 11:23am
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Put a 310 Waukesha in it. After all, Oliver and AC are in the "AGCO" corp. Bend the rules to suit you also. ------------- '40 WC puller,'50 WD puller,'50 M puller '65 770 Ollie *ALLIS EXPRESS contact* I can explain it to you, BUT I cannot understand it for you!! |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2011 at 11:49am
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Good idea I just cant see the fun in attempting to beat them with the engine they are so proud of. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2011 at 12:03pm
------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |