Gotta think this is hard on the pto...
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Topic: Gotta think this is hard on the pto...
Posted By: Rfdeere
Subject: Gotta think this is hard on the pto...
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2011 at 11:14pm
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Posted By: farmer_rob
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2011 at 11:21pm
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well i dont thin kits a question about how hard it is on the pto!!!i lost count of how many times he almost lost part of his hands...totally unsafe ------------- if farming was easy everybody would be doing it |
Posted By: farmer0_1
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2011 at 11:22pm
| great idea , but i wouldn't do it for the world. i would rather run our old open buzz saw. |
Posted By: denwic
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2011 at 11:28pm
| Well he walked away from it this time but if'n he keeps using this thing i'm sure one day he won't |
Posted By: Josh(NE)
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2011 at 12:11am
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I bet he was trying to copy a super split.
http://www.supersplit.com/video1.htm - http://www.supersplit.com/video1.htm ------------- Allis Express '65 190XT, 37 B, '72 170, '83 8030, and the IH 560 was a mistake |
Posted By: Nathan (SD)
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2011 at 12:15am
| I am no example of safety, but no way in hell. |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2011 at 1:07am
| that's worth 2 whew's! |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2011 at 2:21am
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Y'know, a mechanical drive isn't a bad idea at all... it has many advantages, efficiency being one of 'em... but the fact that there's no disengagement mechanism here IS a serious issue. Mechanical trip hammers were brutally effective (where steam-powered units weren't possible), and they had a mechanism that allowed them to sit, with wheels spinning idle, and only engage the hammer when you stepped on the pedal. Obviously, the design and assembly of the ram gibs suggests that his design execution is in need of a little 'experience', which he got a good lesson there. Think that if I were doing something similar, I'd install a truck axle in the driveline somewhere... power in at the pinion, out at one wheel, and make the opposite side brake the 'drive clutch', and the driving side brake a 'safety brake'. Pinion spins at constant speed, but with the drive clutch released, that side drum spins freely, and the motive side sits idle. Apply the drive clutch side brake, and the motive side starts working... release clutch and it stops (and if you use the motive side brake to stop it, the machine stops FAST... This one's almost as scary... but still, brutally effective... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40sCGb678sQ - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40sCGb678sQ |
Posted By: TomYaz
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2011 at 3:21am
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Did you see the "rest of the story"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA8vA_hUYjY&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA8vA_hUYjY&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
------------- If its not an All-Crop, it all crap! |
Posted By: Butch(OH)
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2011 at 5:23am
A prime example of why certain people should purchase instead of design.
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Nathan (SD) wrote:Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2011 at 5:56am
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Ii do think that busted set of gears was probably the best thing that could have happened to him!!! ------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
Posted By: Robert Mull Georgia
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2011 at 6:55am
| I have done some stupid things before but none that come close to this. I may have rode into town on the turnip truck, but I was riding up front. |
Posted By: Stan R
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2011 at 6:59am
| Thanks, but I will buy a home depot log splitter for a thousand bucks and keep my body parts. |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2011 at 7:33am
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Some may actually make it out of the fast and stupid age to the slow and safe age. I've made it to the latter, hope he will too. ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: R.W
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2011 at 7:39am
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hears another
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bVAAx3mMKY - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bVAAx3mMKY ------------- In Search Of: 1958 Allis Chalmers D17 Diesel serial #9643D |
Posted By: Nathan (SD)
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2011 at 8:18am
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Balers look like popular conversions. I never thought hydraulic cylinders were that hard to find.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gH_J7X8zdk&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gH_J7X8zdk&feature=related
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Posted By: Pat the Plumber CIL
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2011 at 8:21am
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I hate to sound like the safety police but,,,, OH never mind. Glad to hear no one got hurt.I like not scrapping stuff and making stuff out of old machinery.Make a hydaulic one and post some picks.Maybe you could use the frame and mount a pump and tank up front and still use your splitter.I like the use of the baler bed.A guy up the road made one out of a large 16' diameter metal pipe he cut in half.He found 2 old cylinders off and old backhoe loader and hooked up end to end.His stroke was like 6'.He could set 4 or 5 pieces end to end in the bottom of his trough and split them all at once.Just had to make sure they were all about the same size. ------------- You only need to know 3 things to be a plumber;Crap rolls down hill,Hot is on the left and Don't bite your fingernails 1964 D-17 SIV 3 Pt.WF,1964 D-15 Ser II 3pt.WF ,1960 D-17 SI NF,1956 WD 45 WF. |
Posted By: JohnCinMd
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2011 at 8:23am
| Well, aside from the obvious safety no-no's, I was going to say that I would hope he had several shear pins in the system that would go before the pto. |
Posted By: Brian G. NY
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2011 at 9:12am
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That stick of elm 'bout "did 'er in". LOL
I might have built something like that in my younger days; however, I am
much too old and cautious nowadays.
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Posted By: TomYaz
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2011 at 9:16am
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So the Deere baler broke! Ha!
See, I told you Deere equipment is junk!! ------------- If its not an All-Crop, it all crap! |
Posted By: KC-WD45
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2011 at 9:40am
| I am shure he asked himself if he could do this but never had the sence to ask if he should. I hope his kids aren't around when that thing finally gets ahold of him! |
Posted By: KC-WD45
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2011 at 9:47am
| Who's going to cary the wood in when looses both hands! |
Posted By: ALinIL
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2011 at 10:21am
| You got to be kidding. Maybe he can find another use for it, like a POST DRIVER or a walnut cracker. |
Posted By: Reeseholler
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2011 at 11:48am
| I saw that a few months back. If anything else, I'm sure you could rig up a pretty good butter churn. |
Posted By: JoeM(GA)
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2011 at 12:52pm
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Have to agree, I've had to have a finger re-attached, he's NOT going to enjoy it at all, that's if it all he looses. Hope she enjoys the insurance money, she'll be able to buy a real splitter for the new husband.
------------- Allis Express North Georgia 41 WC,48 UC Cane,7-G's, Ford 345C TLB |
Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2011 at 1:10pm
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One more thing I wanted to add, TomYaz touched on it. The big beefy Deere gearbox broke, and the tiny little gears on the PTO drop box on the ALLIS didn't. I know there are lots of technical reasons why, but it sure makes an Allis man proud!!! :-) ------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
Posted By: FloydKS
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2011 at 1:18pm
| Other than the safety factor, a big factor of course, I thought he was doing good with the white pine which splits easy... then ....he started the hard stuff and I knew something was going to give...or at least I thought what is gonna happen next. |
Posted By: R.W
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2011 at 1:29pm
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Heres 2 more people that thought makeing a baler into a log splitter was a good idea!
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Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2011 at 5:06pm
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Well, there's nothing wrong with reciprocal mechanical force for splitting. Obviously, making it strong enough is important... but the biggest safety issue here, is that the action continues while someone's putting their arms in the path of peril. Yes, the ram and blade are dangerous... having arms near the WOOD is dangerous too- getting stuck in that wood as it is driven, is just as bad as getting the ram. Notice, they don't allow the ram to make full pass INTO the splitting wedge... that's a good thing. What they could easily do to rectify most of the immediate limb-danger, is to put V-ramp sides and a chute... Drop the wood down the chute, let it land in the V, and then make the wood fall out the bottom, where pieces can be grabbed for re-split, or pushed into a conveyor for lifting into a container, basket, or wagon. |
Posted By: powertech84
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2011 at 5:29pm
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My first thought was, good idea. But at that time i was thinking it would still incorporate a hydraulic system. What an idiot. |
Posted By: Leon B MO
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2011 at 8:20pm
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"Wiileyyyy Coyoteee, Suuuuper Genius" Leon B MO------------- Uncle always said "Fill the back of the shovel and the front will take care of itself". |
Posted By: swit
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2011 at 6:26am
| Im with the rest of you not to safe like as stated ive done some stupid things before but that not to bright |
Posted By: John (MO)
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2011 at 9:08am
| Hey guys, what if he added an auto loader? Some sort of chute that kept him back 2 or 3 sticks? Then he could switch to a tractor with a high speed pto. I'm sure Ben Franklin didn't get the light bulb right on the first try. And you know Hop Along Cassidie wasn't called Hop Along when he first started practicing his quick draw. |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2011 at 7:18pm
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I think that the general concept here, aside from the 'build it from junk for nothing', is that the all-mechanical splitter designs have substantially faster cycle times than a hydraulic system. That's not a bad thing. Don't think for even a MOMENT that a hydraulic splitter isn't dangerous. The simple fact that you're splitting wood, means that forces are in play that are of lethal magnitude. Even slinging a maul, or sledgehammering a wedge can get you hurt or killed. There is no such thing as 'intrinsically safe' work. Let's say you want to make the reciprocating splitter 'more' safe... give it some method of maintaining it's spinning inertia, while at the same time, being able to 'trigger' it... this is entirely possible. This is how inertial trip-hammers work. Wheel spins... crank doesn't. once the trigger has been pulled, a pawl engages the crank, and spins it ONE REVOLUTION, and in that last 90-degrees, resets the sear of the trigger. Only 'safety' required, is a really hefty sear... and with enough flywheel inertia, that PTO shaft and tractor can be set aside in lieu of a roto-tiller engine belt-driving a rubber tire against the wheel. The HARDest fact, however, is that the bailer's crank and ram were designed to mash HAY, not wood. There's substantially higher shock force in mashing wood across a wedge... I wouldn't expect the reduction gear, or the journal, crank, and rod to be strong enough to take that punishment over-and-over again, for a long period of time... particularly not with a stout hardwood... and I'd expect you to need a fist-full'a shear pins if you had some knotty oak. But from a pure mathematics standpoint, figure the energy of a 40T hydraulic splitter pushing a piece of wood say... 3" over a wedge. Now figure the energy of a 16lb splitting maul being swung, and the kinetic energy being disspated over 3" of impact... then compare the linear load of that ram, and the torque required to yield equivalent forces, and you'll see that the crank, when crossing full-open, has the capacity to develop incredible (by comparison) force. As the stroke crosses 90 degrees (straight up), the ram's speed reaches maximum, and as the stroke reaches full length, the ram's speed comes to an absolute stop. The wood's splitting force is maximum at the moment the ram pushes the wood against wedge. Force is extremely high for only a fraction of wheel rotation... once split, the wood gives up rapidly. In this light, geometry is EVERYTHING. The concept of mechanical splitting isn't bad... nor is hydraulic... in fact, NONE of 'em are 'bad'. It's just that some METHODS, and the engineering decisions made, lend to somewhat scary situations. It ain't like there ain't other really dangerous things on the farm, eh? |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2011 at 8:04pm
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OSHA would be proud of that boy. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: OrangePowerGA
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2011 at 8:22pm
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WOW....just...wow.
Can that be any more unsafe??? ------------- AC - WD JD - 650 |