New small SP Combine
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Topic: New small SP Combine
Posted By: TomYaz
Subject: New small SP Combine
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2011 at 2:59pm
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I know the top of a new small SP combine in the has been bandied about...
Heres something to look at:
 Made in India. Claims 3-4 acres per hour. I had an email exchange...is exportable.. probably would retail for $80-90K. Has AC, I think there is a corn head available... NO IDEA on the quality of these things. Now I wonder if they could be sold in USA. If they wouldnt mind the xtreme large size and upkeep, I would think most guys would go for a used Deere than chance on one of these.
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Posted By: TomYaz
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2011 at 3:09pm
| I doubt the Ashok-Leyland engine is EPA Tier III compliant.... |
Posted By: powertech84
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2011 at 5:19pm
| I don't see the advantage of this machine over a 30 year old gleaner or deere. Esp at an extra $70000 |
Posted By: R.W
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2011 at 6:22pm
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Is there even a backrest for the seat? Because i dont see one? ------------- In Search Of: 1958 Allis Chalmers D17 Diesel serial #9643D |
Posted By: Spud
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2011 at 6:56pm
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Massy sold a small Brazilian made combine in North America but did not move any. Everybody says the want small and simple but nobody will lay the money down.
It is probably better like some of the others said to pick up an F3 or an R40.
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Posted By: Byron WC in SW Wi
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2011 at 7:18pm
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Eventually all the good F2 and F3's will be wore out. You'll get some people that will totally rebuild them but to do that your going to pay. At that time a combine like this will do well if it is proven and has decent support. I think $80-$90,000 is a little high but not by a whole lot. If it said Gleaner/NH/CaseIH or Deere on the side it'd sell better obviously. Did you see their tractor driven combines!!!?? I think you might need to be a little nuts to sit up there on a tractor. Don't have a corn head apparently but probably could retrofit one. |
Posted By: TomYaz
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2011 at 7:26pm
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Yeah there is a backrest.
I agree that there is probably too many good used small ones still out there....But there will come a day I bet when this could be a seller.
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Posted By: beeman
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2011 at 7:27pm
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Hmmm. Seems I read something about Deere investing in some India agric. equipment firms this past year. Can't remember exactly where I saw this ,CRS? Think they'll paint these rigs green and sell them for a "few" more dollars elsewhere? ------------- 1949 B 3930 Ford- Have owned other Orange ,green,red,yellow,dark green tractors and equipment. |
Posted By: wheatbreeder
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2011 at 7:31pm
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That is like a research plot combine built in North America. Small combine market is dead Tom continue your work on the All Crop is more effective Morley ------------- Farm stuff 8050,6690,175,F2,5050,WD |
Posted By: TomYaz
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2011 at 7:35pm
Research plot combines much smaller--much more expensive too...
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wheatbreeder wrote:Posted By: Dale-OH
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2011 at 7:45pm
| New Research combines are roughly the same price of a regular combine =/- $300K At least thats what our local seed company told me when they bought a used MF plot machine last summer, I think it was a 95 model for $85K? |
Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2011 at 7:59pm
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If Deere were to import something like that, I wonder how many they would have to sell to equal the profit of one 9670.
The price would have to be relatively low to reach the intended market of small acreage farmers, which means a low margin per unit with low volume sales.
I know they have various small machines in markets all over the world so it would be no trick for them to import something if they felt there was a demand for it.
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Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 1:06am
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Seems like someone mentioned that JD still built 45,55 and 105's in South America. I wonder if they ever considered importing them to NA. Also there was that Gleaner built in Mexico but it wasn't all that small. Mahrinda built Jeep forward control pickups until the late '90s, suppose anyone in some third world country is building 30 year old design Gleaners (A II's)
------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 6:32am
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If you think there may be a market, ask about a dealership, USA representative ?
Have them send 2 over for extensive real 'field trial' testing on your soil,all at their cost.Just because they work ok on Indian soil doesn't meant they'll survive here.
Ask about parts,shipping times, etc.
Gotta admit though I never knew combines were so pricey ! Paid less than $1000 for my fully running '61 Gleaner A and I could buy a lot of belts for the difference in prices !!!
------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Spud
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 8:39am
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Deere also sold a smaller combine imported from Europe. The 4425 which later became the 4435. It did not sell well either and was dropped.
If customers say they want small combines, they have to show the money.
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Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 9:23am
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The 4435 was a good example of the problem of small combines. It was expensive for it's size, most people who could use one either bought a used machine or the next size larger, a better value for capcity per dollar spent. Deere dropped the 4435 and never offered that size machine again, same thing after it dropped the 9400. The top sized machines keep getting larger and the profit per unit goes up with it. The incentive to sell smaller machines in small quantities isn't there.
Somebody farming 400 - 600 acres and working off the farm part or full time can buy a Deere 9500, a CIH 1660 or an R series Gleaner WITH heads for the kind of money your talking for that Indian machine and their banker would be more likley to go with it. They would have an eight row machine, overkill for that acreage but time is money, the sooner your done the sooner your back to the off farm job, or the more you get done at nights and on weekends when you have time off.
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Posted By: powertech84
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 9:47am
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I think deere still builds a version of the 4435 for mexico. Its called the 1450. |
Posted By: TomYaz
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 10:09am
So why dont the Mexican farmers just by a used Big Machine like here in the states?
thats one thing i dont get...Grain prices are relatively the same around the world--its a global commodity...Yet the small farmers elsewhere in the world can justify a new small machine, but in the States its hard to do....Is it simply a lack of good used big machines that is the reason?
Here is the 1450 in south africa:
http://www.deere.com/en_ZA/products/ag/combines/1450_combines.html - http://www.deere.com/en_ZA/products/ag/combines/1450_combines.html
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Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 10:42am
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Posted By: Dale-OH
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 10:50am
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My uncle exports used combines around the world. He has an ex JD dealer in SA he deals a lot with and sells them 40+ used NA combines and sprayers a year. The story that this individual told my uncle is that JD builds cheap small combines and sprayers in SA for the dealers there that are JUNK. this dealer figured out that they could buy used NA built equipment that would work and JD cancelled him because he was selling too much used and not enough of their SA built equipment.
Has similar storys from Ukraine, the tractors/combines they use there are built in country or neighboring countrys. Customers of his there tell him that they have to have an extra one for parts for every 4-5 running. This is for brand NEW equipment.
Seems to me that there are less expensive small machines in the world but most are not going to be built to NA standards of quality or safety.
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Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 11:25am
In South America labor is the cheapest input cost that large farms have so they used to have many smaller machines as it was easier to ship them and move them around once they were there. Now that has changed as roads and rail an the rest of their infrastructure has improved, large equipment has become normal. Even in Mexico farms are rapidly consolidating and using less manual labor and larger equipment, high comodity prices contribute to that. From the Ukrane to England small farms are being gobbled up.
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