out dated tractor pull
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Topic: out dated tractor pull
Posted By: AC WD45
Subject: out dated tractor pull
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2011 at 12:14pm
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off color and really old but really cool. Two steamers pulling a sled in tandem
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Posted By: norm[ind]
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2011 at 12:40pm
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have seen that done YOU CAN NOT STOP THEM
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Posted By: Brian G. NY
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2011 at 3:17pm
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Now I know what is meant by "turning on the steam". Seems when they started to slow a bit, they just turned on more power!
Great video.
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Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2011 at 3:26pm
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Done that... well, done that with a steamer. Tell 'ya what- the steam boiler operator's class is one of the most interesting, enlightening, and enjoyable classes a guy can take, and operating an antique steam traction engine is one of the things that you wouldn't DREAM of ever getting a chance to do. I recommend it for ANYONE!
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Posted By: Reeseholler
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2011 at 4:07pm
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i always like to watch the steamers pull at our local show
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Posted By: papastanh
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2011 at 7:32pm
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That has got to be one of the coolest (steamest) things I have ever watched. Well it was up there anyway. Thanks for sharing.
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Posted By: Andrew(southernIL)
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2011 at 10:24pm
Here is the one I shot at Rantoul in 09. Watched them back up a pickup truck load of wood to it and just started chucking it in before it pulled up to the sled.
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Posted By: morton(pa)
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2011 at 11:53pm
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If you ever want to see quite a steam show be sure to attend Rough and Tumble's threshermans reunion in August every year in Kinzers, PA. You name it, we've got it.
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Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 2:26am
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wow!! i've never seen em pull like that before! what kinda HP?? about 13?
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Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 11:19am
Awesome display of power, but very inefficent horsepower. You have to burn alot of wood/coal and boil alot of water to pull a 13 bottom prarie plow for a 8 hour day....flat torque curve though. To make a 100 hp at 300 rpm takes a tremendous amount of twist
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Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start
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Posted By: Andrew(southernIL)
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 11:21am
Thought I heard the one in my video was suppose to be 100 horse, but I'm not sure on it.
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Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 11:40am
When dealing with steam engines, you must remember that the horsepower they make is done at a very low RPM, meaning the make alot of TORQUE not horsepower. The 40-120 Avery at the Buckley, MI show makes 120 belt horsepower, which doesnt sound like alot as my Chevy Malibu sitting in the parking lot makes 150 horsepower. The difference comes in the fact that my Malibu makes 150 HP at 6000 RPM, where the Avery makes 120 HP at somewhere in the 300 RPM range. Translate that number into torque numbers and you are probably looking at over 3000 ft/lbs
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Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity"
1968 D15D,1962 D19D
Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start
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Posted By: AndyL
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 11:41am
The 100HP case belongs to the fellow next door, he seems to always have the biggest and the best of everything....Its only one of 3 left I think..
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Posted By: AllisFreak MN
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 4:09pm
Is it true that they can explode if not ran properly? Someone told me that would happen occasionally back in the old days.
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'49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2
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Posted By: AllisFreak MN
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 4:10pm
Is it true that they can explode if not ran properly? Someone told me that would happen occasionally back in the old days.
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'49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2
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Posted By: Reeseholler
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 5:11pm
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yes. It has happened at shows like this before. I remember one a couple of years ago and I've heard of one blow in the field. I haven't heard too many horror stories but I guess it only takes a little with that pressure to blow something
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Posted By: rob(ont)
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 5:32pm
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VERY few boiler explosions occur due to boiler mechanical issues. Most are due to operator error of letting the water get too low, or other issues such as a malfunctioning safety valve , pressure guage or water glass. As long as there is sufficient water over the crown sheet and properly functioning safety equipment, there should NEVER be a boiler explosion. A conscientious operator will ensure this. Might spring a leak, but should not go boom. Rob.
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Posted By: 427435
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 5:35pm
The worst explosions are when the water level gets too low or the firebox springs a leak into the fire.
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 5:36pm
Maybe a dozen years ago I remember one exploding at a show in Ohio that killed like 4 or 6 people. It was on the news. I was told by an old steam engine guy, Bud Budenski from West Concord MN if anyone might know him, not even sure if he's still around, that if you replace the soft lead pipe plug with a steel one then you can have big trouble.He figured that was what happened in Ohio.
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Posted By: rob(ont)
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 5:53pm
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If I remember the report on the Medina Ohio incident, that boiler should never have had a fire in it. Crown sheet and stays were severely eroded, safety was screwed down or not functioning, and the pressure gauge was not reading correctly. Fusible plug was scaled over and in nonfunctioning condition. And they were dealing with the police due to damaging the road surface with the drivers. Crown sheet failed due to overheating due to low water. PURE OPERATOR ERROR.
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Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 11:24pm
Yes, the Medina incident was clearly a case that the operator did not perform his duty to inspect the boiler prior to firing. If he had, he would have found staybolts unsuitable for tension, crown plate too thin for pressure, and crownplate fuses corroded over.
Crownplate fuses are essentially brass bolts that have been drilled and filled with lead. As long as the crownplate is kept submerged (by proper water management), the temperature of that plate will NEVER exceed the temperature of boiling water... which in a pressurized boiler is obviously higher than 212F, but not higher than 450F.
Once crownplate temperature exceeds the melting point of the fuse plug, the lead melts, spraying water and steam into the firebox. This is a very uncomfortable thing for the operator, but it 'blows down' the machine before the crownplate can overheat and rupture.
It's all about
1) inspecting and certifying the boiler for operation at a given pressure
2) setting and testing the safeties according to the certified pressure, and
3) maintaining proper water level at ALL TIMES.
Given these three responsibilities, a boiler will NEVER explode. ALL boiler failures are a result of one or more of these being ignored.
That said, boiler explosions leave very interesting blast-sites. The initial explosion is that caused by whatever steam is present IN the boiler. This generates a 'ring' wherin everything within the first 15-20' or so is scalded and imploded. Beyond that, a second damage ring, even worse than the first, projects out in all directions. At this ring, a secondary shock wave occurs, because the first explosion ejects high-temperature water... well above 212, and when it reaches the 25-30' mark, this water expands about 1700 times it's original volume instantaniously, creating a shockwave exceeding the speed of sound. This vaporizes everything for the next 100'. If you watch WW2 footage of steam-powered ships being torpedoed, you'll see the initial and secondary shock waves of boiler explosions.
It ain't a pretty thing, and I sure-as-heck don't wanna be near the TOWN when something like that happens... but the important thing to remember, when operating a steam boiler, is that it's your responsibility to maintain that water level at all costs, and when something goes wrong, you stay WITH THE ENGINE, for 2 reasons- first, the lives of everyone within 500' of you depend on you being there, maintaining that water level, and quenching the fire. Second of all, it will do you no good to run- if it goes, you're the first to die.
That being said, taking care of those three tasks is simple. It is no more dangerous than operating a farm tractor, or shooting clay pigeons, operating high powered HAM radio transmitters, or going golfing. It is rediculously fun to fill a big rolling tank, start a fire, jockey the dampers, watch gauges, then spin up the engine and feel a 15-ton antique rumble along pulling essentially anything you can tie to the drawbar.
Yep, they're inefficient. Thermally-speaking, they waste about 90% of the thermal energy you throw in, but hey- they're the ORIGINAL "Flex-Fuel" machine, and they were BUILT with "RENEWABLE RESOURCE" and "ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY" in mind.
(and you never have a day where the heater don't work)
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