Cost of points and condensor
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Topic: Cost of points and condensor
Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Subject: Cost of points and condensor
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2011 at 7:11pm
I about fell over when the guy at NAPA told me $25.50 for points and condensor for my MM Jetstar....probably should have shopped around. He claimed they weren't making any money on them. I had a set of Mopar points, rotor and condensor in a package at home with a price of $1.89 on it.....
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Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2011 at 7:26pm
I wonder if they are any better quality than the Farm and Fleet tune up kits for $8. Oops, I guess their kits are almost double at $14.59 now.
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Posted By: Larry(OH)
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2011 at 7:35pm
I'd spend the extra for electronic conversion. Great stuff
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Posted By: Gary in da UP
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2011 at 7:44pm
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Echlin Blue steak points and condensers are pricey. You can always buy the chinese stuff if you want, for less. Makes the $85 or so bucks for a pertronixs a deal, eh?.
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Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2011 at 7:50pm
If I was going to keep the tractor I guess electronic might make sense....at least I have spark again! I think I have about 20 sets of NOS AC points in a box here, probably means they are worth more! I'm sure they are much better than Chinese....problem is I have never needed to replace a set on an Allis yet....
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Posted By: powertech84
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2011 at 8:25pm
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I bought a set at the local bumper to bumper auto parts store last summer and when he told me the price i had to fight the urge to jump over the counter and grab my debit card back. Combined with the fact that electric ignitions work so good it really does make the petronix look like a deal. I enjoy setting up the points though.
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Posted By: ICTRCTR
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2011 at 8:29pm
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price the oil filters for the wd - d17 screw on's $16.00 or so from acgo dealer.thanks.
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Posted By: Brian S(NY)
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2011 at 8:42pm
Ive been paying about 12$ for a set of pints and condensor.. problem is every other one is junk outa the package.
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Posted By: Steve M C/IL
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2011 at 11:36pm
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Finally put new set in the 45 after 30yrs.Looked pretty good yet.Saved them as the new stuff looks kinda cheap.My have to put them back in.
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Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 12:20am
Makes you wonder how the cost has gone up that much. The other auto part that amazes me are brake wheel cylinder cups. Something like $4 each for that little piece of rubber like material. Wasn't that long ago they were less then .50.
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Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 1:48am
I paid $7.89 for points, rotor, and condenser yesterday. Last week I visited a NAPA and they wanted over $20 for points and condenser. I didn't buy, just bought a point file, turned out that didn't work the way the points were burned. New points and the tractor ran fine. These particular points fit MF, JD, MM, and AC among others.
Gerald J.
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Posted By: Burgie
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 4:49am
Ought to price the parts for a mag.
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 6:51am
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One reason for the price increase is the 'supply and demand' idea. Very low 'demand' for points and condensors these days,as 99.9999% of vehicles have EFI.To 'supply' them , the vendor has to buy them,stock them,inventory them etc. taking up space for slow moving items that could be replaced with faster selling stock.
I currently have the 'fun' of maintaining 30 year old computer equipment and parts are hard to come by.One part,should be a $10 item can fetch $1500 !The bad side of supply and demand, where the vendor knows he has you over the barrel.Since I design microcomputer 'stuff' I know the ne elctronic ignition systems are a great idea, but I also know good old points are easier and cheaper to fix when they wear out.Especially in the middle of the lane,in Winter, with blowing,freezing snow-rain coming down as the sun sets!
Sounds like it might be time to stockpile any old barn finds, yard sale bags of parts, etc.
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Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 6:59am
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I have found that one of those 3M Roloc gasket removal wheels on a die grinder burnishes points to like new as long as they aren't worn through the harder layer.
BTW, no points in any of my gas tractors anymore either.
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Posted By: Steve M
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 7:58am
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Go to kirkengines.com and scroll down the page until you come to points saver and check that out. Looks to be a good deal as you still use your existing points but they don't need to be in real good shape for this points saver to work. Just need to be opening and closing, don't need to be properly gapped. This web site is for small engines but from my understanding this gadget will work on other applications.
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Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 11:17am
The Cub Cadet guys like them. You can make your own with a TFI module from a Ford. Just have to find one that is not mounted on the dist and has it's own heat sink. Seems like ML Pankey says he's made them out of a Chrysler module too.
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Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 12:03pm
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Like anything else, ya get what ya pay for. Cheap stuff is cheap and doesn't last. More pricy stuff is usually better quality depending on mfr. You guys gotta git' outta' the 60's with your prices. ALL electrical components no matter what they are have gone up in price over the past 30 years. I carry Standard Blue Streak components in stock. being I've been a Stardard Ignition dealer for 35 years. All my rebuilt Distributors and other rebuilt electrical units come equipped with these components. I try to put the top of the line stuff in all my products. Does it make the rebuild more expensive. Absolutely. But, you're not back messin' with the same problem later. Sometimes yer' limited to what you can purchase (as with Mag parts) but, time goes on and prices go up! Ain't much you can do bout' that.....
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Posted By: Reeseholler
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 1:09pm
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I guess I"m too spoiled. We have a business account at napa and my muffler I got for my CA was list 114 and I got it for 46. I think they're making a little money.....
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Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 3:33pm
I got the feeling that small town NAPA was asking me their highest retail price, not their price for "regular" customers. I may continue to find it most profitable to drive another 15 miles to a bigger town with multiple parts stores.
The old points weren't making contact at all, hence no spark. The way they had burnt, filing until I filed off the tit wouldn't have made an effect.
Any application that claims ignition time isn't critical isn't hand cranking (where you want timing retarded) and isn't worried about engine efficiency, output, or longevity.
The points I replaced probably ran at least 10 years, maybe longer, I've had that tractor about 21 years, and at their economical cost I can replace them another ten times for the price a Genessee module that probable has a useful lifetime approximating a decade and i can afford to have spare points on hand.
Gerald J.
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 5:37pm
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I've made a few of those 'pointsavers' that were mentioned as I design/build custom electronics and they do work well, but I've never had the need to put one on my D-14s.
Also thought about putting a CDI unit onboard but...
Why mess with something that ain't broke? It's run fine for 50 years,odds are I'll be dead before it goes!
Having a spare set of points is cheap insurance is a good idea. Knowing WHERE you put them is a great one !! lol.
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Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 7:22pm
Jay, I told my Dad once I thought it must be time to put points in the 8N. He said he thought he had just a couple months before. He walked over to his parts storage area and found 3 unopened tune up kits. It seems he bought 1 and thought he put it in. After a few years he had a stash built up.
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Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 7:41pm
Putting points in a front mounted distributor on an 8N was a project you wanted to put off forever if it still ran at all.
Gerald J.
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Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 7:53pm
Gerald, the 8N is a 48 but the engine was swapped out years ago by my Great Uncle when he farmed with it. This one has the distributor on the right side in front, not tucked behind the fan like the original.
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Posted By: GBACBFan
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 7:57pm
Didn't the 2N and the 9N had the distributor in the front, and the 8N on the side? It's been a while, so I could be wrong.
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Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 7:57pm
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I agree on the putting points in an 8n with dist on the front. NO fun
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Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 7:59pm
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Early 8n's had the front dist.
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Posted By: GBACBFan
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 8:08pm
Thank you, that's right, now I remember. Help me again, if you would please. Couldn't you take the distributor off with two bolts and install the points on the bench? I'm testing my memory again, but it seems it was just about impossible to reinstall the distributor wrong.
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Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 8:11pm
That's what they say on YT ford site. You can't get it in wrong without forcing it.
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Posted By: norm[ind]
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 8:42pm
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3 set of points since 1947 when tractor was new 1957 1973 still runs like new what is the problem with points will the electronic still be running after 60 yrs. ??????? for that price in an a-c
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Posted By: Rogers
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 9:01pm
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I remember buying a set of points and condenser somewhere in the $10 range. There were two sets available. One was higher than the other. I bought the cheaper set first. After running the tractor only a few times it died. I decided it had to be the points and condenser and bought the more expensive set. I think they were somewhere around $18. I think the second set was made by Standard. I won't swear to though.
I have an old 8N with the front mounted distributor. I've never had a lot of trouble with points, but the coils burn up regular. They are kind of pricey too. I have another 8N with the distributor on the side. I like the side mounted one better.
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Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2011 at 12:03am
I had an 8N once. The data I remember was that the 8N was built for four years, and the side distributor was only shipped the last year. And I think the only difference between an 8N, 2N, and 9N engine was the year made before that change to the side distributor. The front distributor was not one to encourage regular point maintenance. My dad drove flat head 33 and 36 V-8 Fords with the front distributor from some time during WW2 to about 1951. I was too young to learn about caring for that distributor. The tractor engine was basically one bank of the flat head prewar V-8. That allowed Ford to get it to production faster. I don't know when he got the 33 but its the first car I remember. I was born in early 1942 and the pictures of my first trip home showed a 32 Dodge.
I forget how many years I had that 8N (a less than great appliance for what I wanted to do) but while I replaced the starter and all the wiring, I never touched the inside of the distributor.
Gerald J.
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