185 vs. 175
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Topic: 185 vs. 175
Posted By: Matt Z
Subject: 185 vs. 175
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2011 at 4:10pm
| I found two local tractors this week. One is a 175 with 3000 original hours. Its a 1979 with a Perkins and decent paint. The guy wants $8500. I was gonna pop for it but I now found a 1981 185 with 2200 one owner hours and decent paint for 8500 also. I used to have a 175 and loved it. Does anyone have an opinion to either?? I know about the horsepower difference and that makes little difference to me. I have heard only good things about these Perkins motors. Would I be making a mistake going to a 185?? The 175 just seems like such a nice versatile little chore tractor. Too bad Dad burnt ours up! Any feed back would be appreciated! |
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Posted By: MI8050
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2011 at 4:18pm
| I've run both and like both......for chores I would say the 175, the Perkins engines are tough. The 185's are nice and good on fuel, I like the platform style better than sitting completely around the transmission, kind of a draw really, with the 185 being a six popper and having the slight hp advantage. Neither is a heavy tillage tractor but you are already aware of that. |
Posted By: Jim Lindemood
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2011 at 4:34pm
| I can't speak to the 175, but my 185 is a "keeper" --- love it! I use it for plowing, mowing, square baling, round baling, discing, seed drilling, pulling an Allcrop 60, bush hogging, and other stuff. I have other tractors I have used for these job that work fine, but I like doing them better with the 185 --- wife likes to use it too (that's my only complaint -- LOL) Don't know what you are going to be using it for but sounds like either would work for you. Which one is in the best condition, how far do have to go to get it, you've had a 175 and liked it -- all things to consider. |
Posted By: cwhit
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2011 at 5:06pm
| Wow! Talk about a nice problem. All things being equal ,I'd go with the 185. Good luck with your choice.. |
Posted By: captaindana
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2011 at 5:56pm
| Wow Matt! I can't solve your dilema for you, BUT I can tell you how many I would be coming home with for sure!! After a few hundred hours on each you can then tell us all which one pleases the most! Dana |
Posted By: Brad(WI)
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2011 at 6:39pm
| My cousin wants to sell his 190xt, good shape, recent overhaul and new tires (18.4x34). Doesn't pop out of gear. Great all around tractor. Asking $6000. Located near Wisconsin Dells. He's snowmobiling in WY now, but you can call me if interested. 608-697-3318 |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2011 at 6:53pm
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I like the view from the 185 better. The 175 it seems I was always stretching to look over the fenders and such.
------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2011 at 7:21pm
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I'd go with the 175 just because the power director is a lot smoother, but the price seems a little steep. I gave 6500 for my tightest one, 3500 for a decent 170D, and two more in between at 4000 and 4500. ------------- ALLIS EXPRESS! This year: |
Posted By: RSallis-pullinMD
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2011 at 7:57pm
| I would go for the 185 very nice dependable tractors my dad had one and I myself owned one and put many hours on them.Neighbor bought a new 175 d and rebuilt the motor at 800 hrs twice.That model tin can seemed to have sleive dropping problems and they were very noisy. |
Posted By: jiminnd
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2011 at 9:21pm
| Only a litle use of 175 and it was a gas, bought a 185 because I like not straddling the trans housing, but just got the 185 this summer so not a lot of use there yet either but I do like it sofar. |
Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2011 at 9:30pm
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I would go with the 185 too. As Charlie said, you have a better seating position and it has a smooth 6 cylinder. That being said, I have never driven one. I did grow up on a 175, and I know their (few in my opinion) pitfalls very well. With the 185 you describe as having 2200 one owner hours, it is a no brainer. ------------- '49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '61 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080 |
Posted By: Matt MN
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2011 at 9:39pm
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I have a 170 Gas and a 180 Diesel, And I would have a very tough time trying to decide which one is better. I like the 170 as a gas tractor and you really can't beat the 180 for all around use. Like Eldon said the power director on the 170 is a lot more user friendly. ------------- Unless your are the lead horse the scenery never changes!! |
Posted By: Eric[IL]
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2011 at 6:46am
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Sounds interesting. I would have to buy both. 79' & 81' were the later years these were built. Lower original hours on each tractor? Why low hours - I would be test driving each of them for any problems?? Or, maybe they were just kept in the barn by someone who did not use them much... I have a perkins in my AC 715 backhoe. It doesn't like cold temps for starting. After its started it runs great. Depends on what you want? Please share some pictures when you get a chance. |
Posted By: JoeO(CMO)
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2011 at 7:19am
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175 or 185? I have owned both. It depends on what YOUR preference is.
How are you going to use it? What are you plans in the future? Mostly mowing, field work, what equipment do you have now or what you would like to move up to in size?
As stated, the 175 hand clutch is better for easing tractor movement around in tight situations, moving bulky items with a loader, etc. It is lower and a little easier to get on/off.
The 185 is handier if you have/need a little larger equipment, it is nice for getting up, out of dusty conditions, not completely but better than the 175. The 185 hi/lo is hydraulically actuated and therefor not as easy to ease around tight situations.
If I had a choice of using a loader to load/unload a piece of equipment-I would use the 175.
If I had a choice of using a brush hog or any mower around tight situations- I would use the 175
When I use a bigger mower to get things done, light field work, etc., I want the 185.
Point is; it is your choice, you alone know how you will be using it. Both are good, and are a matter of personal choice. Enjoy.
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Posted By: Matt Z
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2011 at 7:22am
| It will be on the haybine and small square baler, and corn planter. Thanks everyone for the awesome feedback. |
Posted By: ac-mike
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2011 at 7:27am
| It would really matter to me if the 175 had the hydraulic pump mounted in front of the engine or on the side in the belt pulley hole. It seems to me that the one's I know of with the pump in front of the engine give some problems with the drive as they age. Has anyone else run into this problem? |
Posted By: steve(oh)
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2011 at 8:47am
| We have a 175 with the Perkins Deisel in it. Has just shy of 7000 hrs on it, ground feed planted corn, bushhoged, cut, raked, baled hay and straw its whole life. Have never done anything to the engine. I wouldent even think twice about buying that 175. But agree with what most people have been saying if ya got the money buy both. |
Posted By: Kevin in WA
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2011 at 10:04am
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175 has better gear selection for baling, 185 has a big jump from 1st high to 2nd low. But it all depends on your crop and size of your windrows. |
Posted By: MI8050
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2011 at 4:42pm
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ac-mike wrote:Posted By: PeteMN
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2011 at 8:52pm
| Our 185 pulls a 6 row JD cornplanter and occasionally a NH 310 sq baler and NH 688 rd baler. It has good traction and can run the balers, but could use more power. Normally use a 190xt on the round baler ,my neighbor uses his 8050 on his Gehl rd baler. I love the 185 for grinding feed, etc. Its nimble enough. I'd take a AC 301 engine vs a Perkins any day. $8500 is a little high unless hours are right and in good condition. |
Posted By: TREVMAN
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2011 at 7:35pm
| Keep in mind the 301 in the 185 is very undertuned, it will last forever. We had one, excellent tractor if it was used like a 65 pto horse tractor and not like a 190xt or 200. For smaller jobs, baling, and the like I dont think it could be beat. At 2200 hours, its just getting well broke in... |
Posted By: wheatbreeder
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2011 at 7:56pm
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go with the 185 as you get older you will appreciate the level plate form I have had I 170 and 175 great tractors if you don't mind straddling the transmission. Also the perklins motor doesn't have service performance link the Alllis motor the 185 requires a higher more clearance for storage. That is why I still have the 175 Morley Morley ------------- Farm stuff 8050,6690,175,F2,5050,WD |
Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2011 at 10:15pm
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AC-Mike, I had problems with the front pump drive on my 175D this year at 4400 hours...thought I had it fixed with a new coupler but it failed within 50 hours. I replaced it with a welded up coupler/shaft from my parted out 170D and it runs with less vibration and no chance of stripping...
Matt, it looks like the 185 will be the better buy for what you want to do. Just try to determine that the seal between the hydraulics and tranny isn't out....seems to be a common problem on the 180,185, 190... ------------- ALLIS EXPRESS! This year: |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 3:44am
| awwww shucks....just buy em both...then let us know what you decide!! |
Posted By: gleaner1
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2011 at 3:29pm
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I have two (had three) 185's and also have a 175, just like most said, platform is nicer on 185, starts a little better when cold, power director is smoother and better location on 175, terrible battery location on 175, dual PTO on 185's, they both have good and bad points,(biggest complaint is the reverse gears are way to fast, almost useless for blowing snow) they don't depreciate in value, thats why i like them . plus if they are minty or restored they are sharp looking tractors. ------------- ALLIS CHALMERS "The color is orange" |