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Topic: One thing I hated
Posted By: Ky.Allis
Subject: One thing I hated
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2010 at 10:49am
Back in the late 1960's when I was a teenager,my dad mowed hay with a D-14 and JD sickle mower. I got stuck driving Farmall H towing our AC hay conditioner.Here in central KY. fescue and orchard grass often grows 3' tall. The conditioner had rubber roll/steel roll combo. It would constantly wrap the steel roll with hay all the way across. I absolutely hated this thing and it made me hate the "H" as well. It had ratchet type slip clutch(like new idea corn pickers) and 1 day after cutting hay out of this thing for about the 30th time-I lost it!!! It wrapped up,the clutch started chattering and I opened the throttle wide open til something gave up. the slip clutch finally flew all to H!!! Then dad bought a "new" NH haybine with the spiral rolls and I thought I was truly in heaven. Just wondering if the AC mower/conditioners wrap like this? They had the same roller set-up I think. Don't get me wrong,I love AC but I truly hated this thing.    



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Posted By: NE-hayman
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2010 at 2:06pm
I bet your dad never knew what really happened to the slipclutch, did he???   AND NOW WE KNOW THE REST OF THE STORY....  I remember things like that too. lol


Posted By: Russ-neia
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2010 at 2:18pm
My dad used a New Idea conditioner, but had the same problems.  We still have a pipe wrench in the shop with a curved handle from him using a cheater on it to turn the rolls backward.

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Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2010 at 4:12pm
With the hay wrapped around the rolls it wasn't doing a proper job of conditioning anyway.

Gerald J.


Posted By: JimIA
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2010 at 5:11pm
I sold a new discbine to a farmer who loved to tell stories....he got on about a conditioner they used to own.  They sold it to the neighbor after buying a new haybine.  The neighbor stopped by a few weeks after his purchased and walked up to the farmer.  He shook his head and said "You know whats worse than running a skunk through that dang thing?  Only running him half way through!".  I guess he owned a mower-conditioner a few days later as well!
 
Jim


Posted By: michaelwis
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2010 at 5:22pm
my dad used a ..i think it was called an 82 s  on a D 15 Series 2  with a conditioner pulled behind .. at da same time ..
When New Holland came out with the 461 . he got the first one @ the local NH  Dealer . and yes it was sweet ....


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Posted By: John WV
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2010 at 5:25pm
if you think the skunkwas bad try a deer what a mess that was


Posted By: Russ SCPA
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2010 at 5:46pm
Neighbor's dog, in front of their house.


Posted By: Stan R
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2010 at 7:32pm
I can relate. My father had a CA and a D-15 and the AC conditioner (as you mention, steel and rubber) would wrap up. Had to cut the hay. Carried a long bar on the conditioner and would put it in the universal joints and use it to turn the conditioner rollers backwards to back out the wrapped up hay. Sometimes it worked, sometimes you had to just pull the hay out by hand.


Posted By: powertech84
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2010 at 7:41pm
We have a newer gehl mower conditioner with rubber rolls that works fine in alfalfa but when we cut in the marsh with 4-5 foot grass you just cant drive slow enough to keep it from wrapping and plugging.


Posted By: Darrell Roberts
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2010 at 7:55pm
We had the same conditioner and I know exactly what you mean. I learned to carry a sharp knife in my pocket at all times because of that thing.


Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2010 at 8:51pm
Never had that problem with my Hesston PT-10 mower-conditioner. I bet it was because with the reel the crop hit the rollers butt end first and wasn't flexible enough to wrap. Mybe the colution wi th the separate conditioner was to drive in the opposite direction it was mowed in to get the butt end first.

Gerald J.


Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2010 at 9:32pm
I used to hate running the AC conditioner too but it was because of the howling 770 Oliver that I pulled it with. You could not hear the fender radio over the noise of the tractor and conditioner but my brother could hear it a mile away. The worst trouble I had with wrapping up was in the corners. If somebody didn't have a divider board on the mower it would wrap up more often. We had alfalfa and clover, never had to work it in much grass. You had to have an open space between swaths or the conditioner would grab the next swath and plug up. I didn't have a good hunting knife back then but did try to keep my pocket knife sharp when mowing season came around.

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Posted By: GARY(OH/IN)
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2010 at 10:43pm
We had a Meyer conditioner with 2 steel rolls. I don't remember it ever plugging. Pulled with JD A. Had a semi mounted Coop 7' sickle bar on the WD. Pitman was badly worn so we used cut up inner tube squares, 2 or 3 on each side, to keep it from chattering. Had to stop every couple rounds to change rubbers. Fun Huh?


Posted By: denwic
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2010 at 10:59pm
Daddy use'a run a Meyers conditioner, I was too young, but seems it liked to pick up rocks and throw'em back at you, not good around here.


Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2010 at 1:04am
i had a self propelled hesston, i can't remember it ever wrapping up. that was a good machine, wished i never sold it!


Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2010 at 6:39am
390 haybine never wrapped but after 35 years of use and a couple missing sheet metal pieces behind the rollers it would plug in front of the rollers. It was a good old haybine for many years. Had to make sure it always had oil in the wobble box cause it would leak out easy and then you had trouble. Old deaf ma cat got wrapped around a roller once. It plugged so I started pulling the alfalfa out and out came a paw. I thought it was a rabbit. Nope, cat's head had stopped the rollers. Kinda messy but better than a skunk.

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Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2010 at 7:43am
Originally posted by John WV John WV wrote:

if you think the skunkwas bad try a deer what a mess that was
Dad ran one through a Ford 535 once. Made it to the front shoulders before it stalled the D17.  Only tool we had to get it out was a claw hammer.........

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Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start


Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2010 at 9:55am
Had I ever plugged the PT-10 the ground speed PTO on the MF-135 would have been really handy. Shift from engine drive to ground speed and back up. Reverse the PTO and the rollers.

Gerald J.


Posted By: Dick L
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2010 at 9:58am
I have a Cunningham crimper that will wrap the small roll first. I use a box knife to slice in a straight line across the width of the cogged roller or rollers if the big one starts to wrap. Kind of a pain but doesn't take long. As soon as I hit the power take off it sheds the wrap and off I go to wrap it up a gain. Sometimes!


Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2010 at 10:28am

Dad cut hay in 3rd gear with the old WC and a Massy Harris 33 semi mounted 7' sicle mower, Then we came along with the WD and the Vemeer crusher. That was steel on steel. Yes you had to have a sharp knife with you in case it wrapped. But it usually was from day freaming when it happened... Such as getting off the windrow just enough that the hay was coming in over the end. Sliced my thumb once cutting hay out of it. The thing was loud too.

Then dad got a kosh side mount mower and hooked the crusher behind it. As long as you kept the mower cutting a full swath, that crusher stayed on the windrow and didn't cause hardly any problems. 
  Then we traded the crusher and rake in on a Gehl (660?) haybine was dang near bullet proof, heavier than a tank, Would cut and dried hay in just one to two days and no need to rake. Two problem with it, 1. had to drive in second gear , anything faster it didn't like it, 2.had to remove about 8 bolts and the drive pin to remove sickle. Bought a 990 IH and could you cut hay with it, 3rd gear and high ranger a lot of the time... but from the day we got it, we had to rake all the hay to dry.


Posted By: Reeseholler
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2010 at 11:45am
Dad still has the cunningham crimper we used for when we did all of our hay with the sickle. We never really had any problem with it that I can remember. I ran it on the CA. 


Posted By: allischalmerguy
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2010 at 8:40pm
SE Iowa-
My Dad had a JD sickle mower and put it on the 720 JD. I drove behind with a 530 Case with a (New Idea, I think it was) hay crimper(conditioner). It was two metal reels. We mowed hay that was alfalfa, red clover and orchard grass. It got wrapped up once in a while and I had to take the sharp knife or not so sharp knife and cut it and pull it out. It was a pain!. The thing I remember most was Dad would run into a bumble bee nest and I would not be far behind and the next thing I know we were getting stung and moving out as fast as we could!
Pastor Mike


Posted By: Pat the Plumber CIL
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2010 at 11:39pm
When I was little I remember we had a New Idea conditioner that would hook behind the mounted A/C sickle mower.Like Charlie pointed out,as long as the swath bar worked properly the conditioner would not plug.I believe I remember the swath bar got broke and my father replacing it not long after a couple rounds with unplugging that conditioner

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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2010 at 6:10am
Originally posted by JC(WI) JC(WI) wrote:

Dad cut hay in 3rd gear with the old WC and a Massy Harris 33 semi mounted 7' sicle mower, Then we came along with the WD and the Vemeer crusher. That was steel on steel. Yes you had to have a sharp knife with you in case it wrapped. But it usually was from day freaming when it happened... Such as getting off the windrow just enough that the hay was coming in over the end. Sliced my thumb once cutting hay out of it. The thing was loud too.

Then dad got a kosh side mount mower and hooked the crusher behind it. As long as you kept the mower cutting a full swath, that crusher stayed on the windrow and didn't cause hardly any problems. 
  Then we traded the crusher and rake in on a Gehl (660?) haybine was dang near bullet proof, heavier than a tank, Would cut and dried hay in just one to two days and no need to rake. Two problem with it, 1. had to drive in second gear , anything faster it didn't like it, 2.had to remove about 8 bolts and the drive pin to remove sickle. Bought a 990 IH and could you cut hay with it, 3rd gear and high ranger a lot of the time... but from the day we got it, we had to rake all the hay to dry.

Dad never raked behind the 390 either. Neighbor, who always bragged about his own equipment (IH and New Holland), came over once to Dad and asked why it was that when they mowed the same day Dad was able to bale a day earlier. Dad just shrugged his shoulders. Didn't tell the guy that if he looked closely Dad was cutting an inch or two higher and that kept the windrow up off the ground. 

Also another neighbor who would visit a lot was always impressed with our 390 cause you could sure make a nice narrow windrow right out of the haybine so no need to rake for the square baler. Neighbor's own New Holland wouldn't do that no matter how he adjusted the rear deflectors. 

Dad also had a 460 New Holland. It was alright but would not make the nice narrow windrow. You could go just a tad bit faster though. From 2nd high on the 17 to 3rd high. Not much difference but when you milked cows and had hogs there wasn't a lot of time for field work so even a little faster was a plus and the Gehl 1500 round baler would still pick up the wider windrow anyhow. Always under the gun when it came to field work.

That Gehl baler is another subject. It would make nice bales but it was a bearing eater. I remember Dad cussing the engineer who designed that baler saying if they were right there at the time they'd leave his place with a claw hammer sticking out their head. Some bolts on the bearing flanges only a kids hand could get too. Guess who that kid was. Many times it was my job and it would be 95˚ and real muggy and I'd get covered in chaff. More than one flange that started with 4 bolts and finished with just three. Changing pickup teeth was another treat until Dad discovered that that pickup had an uncanny way of sucking up all the hay without hardly a tooth on it. 

That baler and his 190XT gasser easily paid for themselves with all the custom baling he did though me and my brothers got stuck with all the milking it seemed most of the summer as Dad would be off baling all around the countryside. I'd rather have been fishing. Probably Dad too as he had a 7000 cab on the 190 that he bought at a sale that had surplus new Allis cabs left over from when they switched to the Accousta II cabs in 77'. Although it was nice to have that cab when it was cold it made for a hot ride in July with that black interior and no AC.


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Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2010 at 9:11am

They just had to throw one spam post in there didnt they



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Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity"

1968 D15D,1962 D19D
Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start


Posted By: FredinInd
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2010 at 9:14am
kinda a long ways to go for a cocktail or two........



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