220FWA vs Oliver/Cockshutt FWA
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Topic: 220FWA vs Oliver/Cockshutt FWA
Posted By: dpower
Subject: 220FWA vs Oliver/Cockshutt FWA
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2010 at 3:41pm
Had a couple people wanting to see the comparison for 220FWA vs Oliver/Cockshutts FWA. Thought i would post a couple of pictures if found.   
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Posted By: dpower
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2010 at 3:42pm
| At our family tractor show where these pictures were taken we had a couple older Oliver Mechanics and they say they never had to work on the mechanical fronts on the Oliver/Cockshutts. |
Posted By: michaelwis
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2010 at 4:24pm
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i just loved your tractors last fall ... ------------- WD WD45 DIESEL D 14 D-15 SERIES 2 190XT TERRA TIGER ac allcrop 60 GLEANER F 6060 7040.and attachments for all Proud to be an active farmer |
Posted By: Daehler
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2010 at 5:50pm
| I would be like a kid in a candy store with all them tractors. Nice pics. |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2010 at 5:56pm
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OK, I'll ask. Which one had better field performance? Oliver's Over/Under system was 3 ranges wasn't it? The 220 did have the 2 range power director didn't it? ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: dpower
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2010 at 6:03pm
| You could only use the 220 fwa in low range. You could not use the front end engaged on the high side. |
Posted By: Henry se/k!
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2010 at 6:30pm
| Hey Igleaner you could have a sign just like Dpower! |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2010 at 7:18pm
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I really like the looks of the 220 with that slight incline to the front. It seems funny that back in the day of these tractors, any one of them would have been considered overkill for this part of the country. Now days it seems everybody has FWA tractors. 20 years ago if you had 4 wheel drive it was an articulated tractor. Now there are way more FWA tractors around.
------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2010 at 7:26pm
Nope, the 220 did have a 4 speed with 2 ranges but no Power Director, all mechanical shift. As told to me by more than one old mechanic the 220 was as solid a tractor as any ever built and a real performer. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Brian Jasper co. Ia wrote:Posted By: split51
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2010 at 8:40pm
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I prefer AC over Ollies and Cockshutts but something about those 4 digit series FWAs are the cats meow!!!!!!!!!.
We had an Ollie 1800 FWA gas tractor back in the 70s, the one thing I really remember about it was that you better give yourself a country mile to get it turned around.
Here is and Ollie and Cockshutt I built a while back, at the time, I didnt know that the FWA wasnt built in a checkerboard 1900.
  ------------- 1929 20-35 sn17662 B1 w/snow blade B10 w/sickle mower B110 w/mower deck B110 w/tiller B112 w/grader blade B210 w/plo |
Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2010 at 10:06pm
| I would like to know where and when you have your GOYO (Get Out Your Orange) day. I would like to come and see it. Also I would like to know what size of AC is that beside the 220FWA wearing a factory cab with ac? It doesn't look like a 200 to me, but I can be wrong. |
Posted By: AllisChalmers37
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2010 at 10:09pm
The tractor beside the 220 is a 210. Atleast that is what it says on the hood. ------------- 1937 WC, 1950 CA, 1959 D14, 1967 190XT, 2006 Ram 3500 |
Posted By: 427435
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2010 at 10:21pm
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There were 2 tricks (engineering solutions) to popularize FWA in the 80's. First was to take away the biggest negative (other than price) which was turning radius. The FWA axles that were developed in the late 70's and early 80's provide a lot sharper turning angle. The second was to add a clutch that could be used to engage or disengage the FWA on the go. I remember discussions with the A-C marketing/sales people-----they wanted to avoid the cost of a clutch. I wanted one because it would show farmers how much the FWA could do. You could easily find conditions where the tractor would be working easily with a given load with the FWA on and, then when you switched the FWA off, the tractor would start digging in and struggling. Turn the FWA back on and away you would go. The discussion went on for a while, but we eventually told sales that a clutch was needed to avoid FWA axle problems when a loader was mounted and you reversed the tractor with a load in the bucket. Over 50% of the torque could end up going to the FWA and the axle would eventually fail. We sized the clutch to provide a little slippage to prevent the overloads. End of discussion. Of course, once the tractors got out in the field and demonstrations were held, it was easy to sell FWA. ------------- Mark B10 Allis, 917 Allis, 7116 Simplicity, 7790 Simplicity Diesel, GTH-L Simplicity Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not. |
Posted By: redline
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2010 at 8:22am
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FWA was a true advancement, but sadly, it didn't really get the attention it deserved until that Green and Yellow outfit said it was OK. The other mfg.s were way out in front with it and still didn't get the attention they deserved. Deere saved fortunes on engineering and spent it on advertising. Grrrrr....angers me every time I think about it. No-till (drills in Deere's case) Rotary harvesting, turbocharging, 4 and 6 cylinder smooth running engines, rubber tires......I think we could make a rather long list of examples.
One exception, is Deere's power shift. They got everybody else with that one. Everyone beat them with 2 and 3 speed selections, but they forgot to keep expanding on the idea. Maybe Ford had the jerk a matic before or at the same time, though? ------------- If it weren't for the last minute, I wouldn't get anything done! |
Posted By: redline
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2010 at 8:24am
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"Here is and Ollie and Cockshutt I built a while back, at the time, I didnt know that the FWA wasnt built in a checkerboard 1900"
Split51, Maybe Oliver didn't build it, but it looks like maybe they should have. Those are some nice models you built!
------------- If it weren't for the last minute, I wouldn't get anything done! |
Posted By: dpower
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2010 at 8:34am
| The tractor next to it is a 210 with factory AC cab. We are located outside Madison Nebraska and take the tractors down to our North pasture. We might do it again next year we are not sure, takes a lot of work to get them all down there and washed up. If interested in coming let me know. Thanks |
Posted By: Brian F(IL)
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2010 at 3:20pm
| I remember when Dad would take out a Two-Twenty FWA tractor with a 6-16" plow to demonstrate it for farmers. Got a lot of lookers. I think we only sold 2 or 3 of them that I can recall. A lot of fun. |