Cummins Tractors LONG POST
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Topic: Cummins Tractors LONG POST
Posted By: AllisChalmers37
Subject: Cummins Tractors LONG POST
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 1:15am
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I just got this month's issue of DIESEL POWER and in it (pg 118) there is an article called Swap a Cummins Into Anything. After reading it that got me thinking, could one swap a 5.9 12 valve Cummins into a W series Allis-Chalmers tractor? I have seen several that have had a V8 swapped in but never a diesel. If it could be done I would like to eventually try it on my 1941 WC. The motor in it is shot and since I already have a stock unstyled WC I wouldn't need for it to be origional. I found out that I could pick up an old 12 valve engine for at the most, in perfect shape $2000. I would think that the 1989-1993 (first gen) Cummins would be the best because it is mechanically controlled and they don't have any complicated fuel or timing controls which would end the need for several computers and wiring hookups.
This is just a thought but if it could be done one day it might make a unique show piece. It would be the only WC at a plow day to pull a 5 bottom plow.
Oh, the closest thing that I have seen (on the internet) to this being done is one being put into a Farmall M. The picture below is it.
 ------------- 1937 WC, 1950 CA, 1959 D14, 1967 190XT, 2006 Ram 3500 |
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Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 1:21am
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AC37, As someone on the site says "anything can be done if it has proper financing" or something to that effect. I do wonder if the WC transmission and rear end would hold up to a 5.9. One of those 3.something 4 cylinder ones out of bread trucks that guys are putting in Jeeps and Broncos might be a better fit and still plenty of power to impress everyone.
------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: Nathan (SD)
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 8:41am
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That version of Cummins I believe puts out 120 horse on the PTO. WC gonna need some triples on the rear and another WC worth of weight to use that kinda power. |
Posted By: AllisChalmers37
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 10:15am
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I had thought about the 4bt Cummins but it must have slipped my mind. I don't know any power ratings on them or the engine size but I've been told that a 4bt is like a regular 6 cylinder Cummins without 2 cylinders. Their size would help in a repower and I think major tractor parts would start to go before the motor bogged out.  ------------- 1937 WC, 1950 CA, 1959 D14, 1967 190XT, 2006 Ram 3500 |
Posted By: firebrick43
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 10:48am
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You wouldn't be able to keep anything together with that torque off a 5.9, or at least if you turned it up at all. I do think that the 3.9 4bt would be a better choice as they still put out somewhere in the neighborhood of 140hp stock with turbo and have been turned up to 700hp before. Problem you are going to have is probably height of the motor. |
Posted By: Claus
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 10:55am
| I think the 5.9 would be a nice conversion in a 190XT, not that there is anything wrong with a 301. Maybe 190XT gas to 5.9 Cummins. |
Posted By: AllisChalmers37
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 11:52am
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I found a 4bt on Craigslist for $2500. That might not be too bad with their rise in popularity. I won't be able to fund this project for a couple of years so I'm just getting numbers and plans.
As for the height issue, a center hood scoop might solve it. ------------- 1937 WC, 1950 CA, 1959 D14, 1967 190XT, 2006 Ram 3500 |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 11:59am
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Put 2 WC rear ends together (flipping the ring gear on the front one)with an articulating joint. Add live hydraulics for steering and implement lifting. Then you could spread some of that power out a bit.
------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: 427435
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 12:00pm
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Just remember that a 10% increase in torque will cut your drivetrain life in half. A lot of people make engine conversions, but it's more for show than go. Doubling or tripling the torque will likely cause almost immediate failure if the tractor gets hooked up. ------------- Mark B10 Allis, 917 Allis, 7116 Simplicity, 7790 Simplicity Diesel, GTH-L Simplicity Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not. |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 12:42pm
Mark, I believe that only applies if you try to use the available torque. If you have a 500 HP engine in a WC, and pull 2-14's plowing in second gear, there would be no ill effects on the drive train. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
427435 wrote:Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 1:09pm
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Someone in Ia did the articulated WC with a 262 turbo motor from a D19. I've seen it on the Great Iowa Tractor Ride several tiems. ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: 427435
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 1:55pm
That's very true, but then why do it?? I guess if it's just for show, but there are so many ways to spend several thousand $ and lots of time. I guess I've always been to sensible or something. ------------- Mark B10 Allis, 917 Allis, 7116 Simplicity, 7790 Simplicity Diesel, GTH-L Simplicity Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not. |
Posted By: Claus
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 2:02pm
Maybe this is true, I don't know but then how do the Super Stock pulling tractors make it down the track with the sled and all the weights on the tractor. They are defiantly double or triple the torque and hooked up. |
Posted By: 427435
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 6:18pm
Partly because their increased hp is coming at higher rpm levels (if both hp and rpm are doubled, the torque stays the same) and the gears in the "stock" tractors are often not stock. ------------- Mark B10 Allis, 917 Allis, 7116 Simplicity, 7790 Simplicity Diesel, GTH-L Simplicity Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not. |
Posted By: Michael Welch
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 9:00pm
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I would like to put a 4bt in a WD 45 to pull. A open class with about 3/8 tread not over 4500 lbs. |
Posted By: DREAM
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 9:01pm
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Jeremy, I realize the Farmall in that pic may have a Cummins motor, but they did offer an M diesel. At least i'm pretty sure of that. I saw one at a Mccormick dealer in Homer, GA a couple of years ago. Looked pretty factory to me. Kinda liek a WD45 diesel. Lot of things different than the gas model. Someone may correct or confirm. I'm not much of a red expert(or orange, for that matter, I just like them the best.LOL!) ------------- I didn't do it! It was a short, fat, tall, skinny guy that looked like me! |
Posted By: Steve M C/IL
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 10:00pm
| Indeed they did Dream!If I remember right,they started on gas and switched over to "D" after a lil warming. |
Posted By: AllisChalmers37
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 10:03pm
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The diesel Farmall M was called a MD. ------------- 1937 WC, 1950 CA, 1959 D14, 1967 190XT, 2006 Ram 3500 |