Big 1 bottom plow(unusual)
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Topic: Big 1 bottom plow(unusual)
Posted By: Larry(OH)
Subject: Big 1 bottom plow(unusual)
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2010 at 12:11pm
Seen this plow at Archbold Oh @ the auction yard last Friday. I stopped on the way home from Indiana to snoop around. Never seen one like this. The mold board must have been about 30" long, and the coulter about 24". I could not see any markings on it, so I shot a few pictures of it. Any ideas of who made it?
   There was a CA, C, 170,7060 blk belly, D-17 setting on the lot and lots of AC plows(mono beam 5-6 bot), field cult, etc but not as much as usual. next auction is December 14th. Here is the link to them for those who might want it!!
http://www.yoderandfreyfarm.com/auctions.asp - http://www.yoderandfreyfarm.com/auctions.asp ------------- '40 WC puller,'50 WD puller,'50 M puller '65 770 Ollie *ALLIS EXPRESS contact* I can explain it to you, BUT I cannot understand it for you!! |
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Posted By: Doug northern IL
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2010 at 12:14pm
| thx for the picture s larry havnt seen any like that. |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2010 at 12:30pm
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Probably no more than a 14" wide cut. The long moldboard is a characteristic of praire sod breaking plows and is popular for plowing contest plows. It probably pulls harder because the soil stays against the moldbord so long, but maybe the more gentle turning makes it pull easier. Gerald J. |
Posted By: Rfdeere
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2010 at 12:30pm
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That is a Breaking plow. They used them to turn over heavy virgin sod. I thnk that might be a Case. ------------- Randy Freshour,Member Indiana AC Partners, http://www.rumelyallis.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.rumelyallis.com |
Posted By: Reindeer
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2010 at 12:40pm
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That is a breaking plow. We used it to for the first plowing of newly cleared land. This type would have been used in the first plowing of much of the prairies where there was too much brush for oridinary plows.
Once the trees were removed, we used this type of plow. I found this fo one use on sod.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCC62wSJOm8 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCC62wSJOm8
There were huge ones made in the 60's and 70' , pulled by D6 and D7 cats. Usually 24" bottoms, 2 or 3 bottom plows. ------------- |
Posted By: Francis/NorthernMN
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2010 at 4:23pm
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Looks looks like an IH 24" brush breaker. We had one like that when I was growing up. Had the rolling coulter and also had a standing knife. To use the knife you would remove the coulter and the matching share. Then replace the share with one that fit together with the knife. You would use the knife set up on ground that had been bull dozed and was full of rocks and tree roots. Dad broke up a lot of our land with an IH breaking plow and a '38 Allis WC. Lots of backing up and taking a run at it when you got into some tough tree roots or rocks. All low gear work. I was there watching and also helping. Yup, those were the good ole days!
Francis
Bemidji, MN
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Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2010 at 6:33pm
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There's a huge one at the Florida Fly Wheelers in Florida. Take a look at it when at the GOTO in February. Dusty ------------- 917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express" |
Posted By: Allen Dilg
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2010 at 8:59pm
| hello Larry!! I have one that looks just like it, it's an IH. we used it last year behind a d19D we knew it was there because when it got a little greasy the tires would spin. The plans are to use an "M" or "KO" crawler. Allen |
Posted By: GregLawlerMinn
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2010 at 8:22am
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Larry
Its a breaking plow like others have said. I obtained one (not in as good condition as yours) that the trip mechanizm was kaput and converted it over to an Allis Snap Coupler hitch. Took the front off a parts Allis plow, removed the wheel, levers, etc on the breaking plow and welded the Allis SC hitch on to the plow. My D17D does a fine job pulling it and the SC hitch arrangement takes a lot of the work out of breaking new ground.
 ------------- What this country needs is more unemployed politicians-and lawyers. Currently have: 1 D14 and a D15S2. With new owners: 2Bs,9CAs,1WD,2 D12s,5D14s,3D15S2s, 2D17SIVs,D17D,1D19D;1 Unstyled WC |
Posted By: firebrick43
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2010 at 4:46pm
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The plow next to it, I am guessing an oliver? The long cylindrical thing, is it just a heavy chunk of steel or a tank of some type? Gerald, I doubt that moldboard length in itself has anything to do with the draft of a plow. I will use a kerveland(SP?) as an example. These european plow bottoms are being installed now on new manufacture one horse drawn plows produced by a company in ohio named pioneer. They also offer JD bottoms or Oliver/Radex bottoms on the same plow/frame. The Kerveland takes the same amount of cut (14") as the radex and JD bottom but the moldboard is nearly twice as long. Yet a plow equiped with this bottom pulls nearly 20 percent less draft than the others which is huge when you only have 2 hp. In sod and corn ground this bottom is spectacular as it flips in completely over and sets the cut side by side instead of on edge at a slant. In bean stubble it did comparably with a radex bottom. The reason it pulls so much easier is more due to the geometry of and design of the point and share. The point is a replaceable and indexable bit not unlike a large lathe bit, made out of a high carbon steel. I have been told that the kerveland bottom pretty much has won the world plowing championship for the last 20 years, sometimes on kerveland plow frames, sometimes on other makes of frames. I want to recall someone on here had their bottoms on a snap coupler competition plow? |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2010 at 6:33pm
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Ok so the gentle rolling keeps the pressure down on the moldboard more than the longer length of contact increases the friction. Makes sense as an outcome. Unlike the 392 bottoms on my 2000 monobeam that turn the dirt side ways through 90 degrees and then toss it down hard (at 5.5 mph) to crumble the dirt leaving a flat field. Gerald J. |
Posted By: Larry(OH)
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2010 at 8:31am
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pioneer manufacturing is about 20 minutes from me. Most all the amish around here, and we are only second to Lancaster PA, use pioneer equipment. They make plows and powercarts as the main line. ------------- '40 WC puller,'50 WD puller,'50 M puller '65 770 Ollie *ALLIS EXPRESS contact* I can explain it to you, BUT I cannot understand it for you!! |