HD3 engine swap?
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Topic: HD3 engine swap?
Posted By: JC-WI
Subject: HD3 engine swap?
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2026 at 4:37am
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Got a salvage yard crawler with a bad engine. No injection system now and engine turns stiff. Anyone tried to put another engine into a HD3? What would be a good transplant engine to set in it if able to do so? Or does someone have an old Allis-Chalmers diesel 175 cube engine laying around that was taken out of HD3/ D15D that would be usable for donor parts? Here is a pic of crawler, blowing critter nests out of valve train area cuzz valve cover was sitting on the two studs.  On market place, seen a Simpson SJ436E engine says 46 kw, and a Perkins 404...Also a 4 cylinder Mercedes OM616 2.4L Would that make the crawler run like a Cadillac? I might have to go hunt down a D15 160 cube engine and put in, probably be the easiest avenue to go. Sure would like to keep it diesel. Thanks, JC ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
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Posted By: rtwfarm
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2026 at 6:12am
| Got a couple here pm me |
Posted By: Eric B
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2026 at 6:10pm
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I don't know how far you would go to hunt for an engine? A guy in Canada (in BC) swapped out a 175 diesel in his forklift and put in a Detroit 2-53. I know he was trying to get rid of the 175 but don't know the outcome. This is the guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvhKNc7XIQU" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvhKNc7XIQU He has a thread on the forum here, but the 'search function' is not doing anything for me. Eric ------------- Currently- WD,WC,3WF's,2 D14's B. Previously- I 600,TL745,200,FL9,FR12,H3,816 LBH. Earth has no sorrow that Heaven cannot heal! |
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2026 at 10:43pm
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H4 AC used a 2200 AC engine that was also used in cotton pickers and few other units , it was a gas or diesel engine basic and turbo or natural aspirated in different applications The Allis-Chalmers 2200 (often referenced as https://www.google.com/search?q=D2200&rlz=1C1HKFL_enUS1206US1206&oq=Allis+Chalmers+2200+engine+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCjE0MzQ1ajBqMTWoAgiwAgE&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&mstk=AUtExfDh_2kykhvStzcrUgMKijQtQ_ClVdatOs-F83ul0RsqIpC7yLB7fCKDv7CGYQ4ROicGzPQy2Plx--UiVcEoBMf9VIKuLybpGwKC4rVinpXbgNe-ipvsOsTL9RNhhBY8KWo&csui=3&ved=2ahUKEwiY_P2F4tCTAxWo4skDHQm0JhcQgK4QegQIARAB" rel="nofollow - D2200 ) is a 4-cylinder turbocharged diesel engine utilized in various Allis-Chalmers agricultural and industrial applications, including tractors like the 6060, 6070, and 6080. These engines are known for their reliability but may require overhaul kits for maintenance https://www.google.com/search?q=Allis+Chalmers+2200+engine&rlz=1C1HKFL_enUS1206US1206&oq=Allis+Chalmers+2200+engine+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCjE0MzQ1ajBqMTWoAgiwAgE&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 ------------- Life lesson: If you’re being chased by a lion, you’re on a horse, to the left of you is a giraffe and on the right is a unicorn, what do you do? You stop drinking and get off the carousel. |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2026 at 4:16am
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That's a nice looking D2200 engine there in your link Coke, just wish it was closer instead of next to the Washington state border.  ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2026 at 4:45am
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Eric B. I remember that AC forklift repower, found it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzQNkXrBCok" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzQNkXrBCok Link to the actual thread. http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/1965-allis-chalmer-fdx4024-detroit-253-swap_topic196925.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/1965-allis-chalmer-fdx4024-detroit-253-swap_topic196925.html google had several links to choose from. - http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Allis+Chalmers+FDX40+forklift+allischalmers.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Allis+Chalmers+FDX40+forklift+allischalmers.com some of the links shown http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/1965-allis-chalmer-fdx4024-ready-for-service_topic149753.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/1965-allis-chalmer-fdx4024-ready-for-service_topic149753.html http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/allis-fdx4024-is-almost-ready-for-service_topic148363.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/allis-fdx4024-is-almost-ready-for-service_topic148363.html http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/saving-allis-from-the-scrappers_topic144976.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/saving-allis-from-the-scrappers_topic144976.html Fellow is in canadia and need passport to get there so I don't think I will be going up there. Would be much easier to go see RTW. ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2026 at 6:32am
| As far as I have been able to determine, the 2200 series engine (G-2200 gas/D-2200 diesel) was never turbo-charged. I had it in my head that there might have been a D-2400 that was turbocharged, but can't seem to come up with anything by googling. I thought I read that a D-2400 existed from a head gasket installation instructions sheet many years ago. The newer 1978 433-T and 433-TI engines were the first to be turbocharged and turbo/intercooled. They also were equipped with a Lanchester style engine balancer in the bottom of the engine so they could operate at 2500 RPM. These changes allowed the flywheel HP to reach the 100 flywheel HP mark where the D-2200 only ever got to 50-52 flywheel HP @ about 2000 RPM. |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2026 at 12:00pm
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How much HP can a little HD3 handle? The Buda D175 was 32 pto HP. Couldn't seem to find BHP on it I sure wouldn't want to go beyond that D2200's range 50- hp Looking
in a 1956 'The Tractor Field Book', under multi cylinder commercial
engines section, They listed Buda having 11 different gasoline power
units and same number of diesel units from the 4B-153 gas / 4-BD-153 diesel to the
6MO-970 gas / 8-DAS-1125 diesel. Nothing for Allis there, but Allis-Chalmers were listed under Tractor Engine Power Units specifications and only gas models. They were powering their construction equipment with Detroit Diesels prior acquisition of Buda. Here's a scanned image of the Buda specs from 1956.  ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2026 at 5:04pm
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When I was down in Effingham was talking to a mechanic there , he said he had a couple D2200 engines and learned that engine handled a TURBO well as AC used it in their cotton pickers with a turbo - got it up to 85 HP rating in that use , said he worked over pump and few other things and had even more HP out of it . So AC did use it TURBOED in product line ------------- Life lesson: If you’re being chased by a lion, you’re on a horse, to the left of you is a giraffe and on the right is a unicorn, what do you do? You stop drinking and get off the carousel. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2026 at 9:20pm
| Well, I do know that in that same 1978 ish time frame, when the K2/F2 combines got the 433-series turbo engines, the cotton harvesters did too. So, yes they would have been turbo'd from that time on. But, what about 1965 up until 1978 ?? He may have been referring to those engines as D-2200 from his old experiences but they may have been 433 engines. |
Posted By: wade89
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2026 at 7:56pm
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Wouldn’t a gasser out a D-14 or even a CA be a direct bolt in? No experience with the diesel. The gas we have seems to have plenty of power for what it is, which is Not a D4 haha. Secondly, we’ve got Deere 440s as well. The gas ones held up fine. All the ones we’ve had with Detroit diesels had enough power to wreck themselves and crack castings. Wonder if over powering an H3 would have the same results. Glad you saved it, I was second in line if that’s the one that was in the woods. |
Posted By: Eric B
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2026 at 10:50pm
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Having a diesel replacement would be convenient and fun, perhaps, but the 175 diesel is quite gutless for doing real bulldozer work. I had a 175 in a backhoe and it was underpowered to say the least. In your case it may become more of a toy and then the diesel is fine. A 149 or a 160 gasser would make a better workhorse... First gear would be your default gear for any 'real work'  ------------- Currently- WD,WC,3WF's,2 D14's B. Previously- I 600,TL745,200,FL9,FR12,H3,816 LBH. Earth has no sorrow that Heaven cannot heal! |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2026 at 4:39am
I thought I heard a request in there, Coke... https://youtu.be/_kMptRC_Tec?si=l0WPp1_s46E3WFoj" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/_kMptRC_Tec?si=l0WPp1_s46E3WFoj ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2026 at 5:19am
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Eric, From what I have heard, the gassers were okay, but the diesels were short on power. Looked at the numbers and they should have been pretty close in power, but if the H3 got the 160 engine put in, it would have been 12-14 hp difference. make a huge difference.  A-C brochure Literature says H-3 has 32.36 hp pto, HD-3 32.53... 1961 Nebraska test - H3 NT # 793 - 149CID 32.11HP 11.26 hp hours per gal HD-3 NT #794 175CID 32.53 12.68 hp hours per gal. D15 NT # 795 149 CID gas 40 pto hp 11.86 hp hours per gallon D15 NT # 797 LPG 149 CID 30.83 pto hp 7.81 hp hours per gal. D15 Diesel 796175 CID 36.51 pto hp 12.72 hp hours per gal. Nebraska Tests 1963 D15 Series II 46.18 pto hp, LP gas 43.55 hp . Funny how there was about 1 1/2 hp hour per gal between the gas and diesel. Did
some searching last night in the H/HD3 parts book, it said the Muckland
Tractor came with track assembly 235843 with 18" shoes as standard
equip, 236975 axle assembly pivot (f/54" tread Muckland Tractor) 235841 beam front (f/54" tread Muckland Tractor) 235839 sprocket (54" tread) (Muckland Tractor) and 4512325 pump assy fuel injection (Muckland Tractor) (2000R.P.M.) all the other HD3 tractors were governed at 1650 rpm Interesting. Thought they were all 48" center to center of tracks. Guess not when you have a muckland. It
appears that unlike the difference between gas and diesel as in the D17
tractors having two different lengths of engine clutch shafts, the
D15/H3/HD3 had the same length for both, and no difference in clutch
assemblies either using a 9 inch disk. The flywheels were different
between the gas and diesel. D15 engines do not have a fuel pump on the
engine, but the H3 engines did. I guess a fellow could put on an
electric pump if he needed to. Still like the
idea of that D2200 engine above with the hydraulic pump driven by the
engine thus having live hydraulic even when you step the clutch in.
But... with the shuttle shift, how often is the foot clutch used? Might
be simplest to figure out the engine in it and fix it or find a D15 or
G160 power unit engine and drop it in. Wade,
it probably is, I was after this one to go see it since Oct of 2024. And
probably even before. It was talked about back in 2020, if I recall
correctly. Heard it was hauled away and found it sitting in a scrap pile. Happy Easter guys Have a great day.
------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2026 at 7:11pm
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Finding a good ready to run G160 might be as hard to find as the D175. The G 149 would be easier to find and make as much flywheel HP as the D175 and if you don't plan on working it hard will get the machine up and going much cheaper than other options. If you really want something to work hard and are up to the challenge of a repower that doesn't just bolt up look at a 3B or 3BT Cummins ------------- If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. Real pullers don't have speed limits. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2026 at 3:50am
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Did some looking yesterday and found the serial number for the block, It is a 149 block and serial number 19162 but can't read the designated letter Bottom of it looks like it could be a K or an R. top half was not stampede hard enough. Looks like I have everything except for the crankshaft and I thought I had that too but didn't find it. nutz. It has the old style filter, anyone ever changed them to the fullflow? Some place I had read about boring the block out and dropping in sleeves for the 160 cubes. But would have to cut the O-ring pockets into the block? I imagine to get the block machined would be quite spendy. So that thought is out. ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |