Pat's vs standard quick hitch on 190
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Topic: Pat's vs standard quick hitch on 190
Posted By: elmer
Subject: Pat's vs standard quick hitch on 190
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2025 at 11:38am
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Sometimes I am a slow learner. After messing around many years I have the idea to make hooking up things a bit easier. I had been thinking of a standard 3pt quick hitch. I had forgotten about Pat's until I saw them on a search yesteday. Majority of the time I am putting out round bales. During winter I may use a rear blade when it snows or occasionaly brush cutter in late summer. Anyone have any opions or experience using one or the other? I may have to make a couple small modifications to use the standard quick tach, but not real concerned about that part. Thank you |
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Posted By: Randy WI
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2025 at 12:40pm
| I have a quick hitch on my JD 4066 compact and would not want any thing else also have the same set up on my JD 3032 very happy with that one to |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2025 at 1:24pm
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Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2025 at 3:28pm
Kinda re-inforces how far ahead of the game an AC snap coupler hookup is... ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: AaronSEIA
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2025 at 5:29am
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I don't see a point to the Pats one. You still need to mess with the top link and it'll need adjusted out much farther to compensate for the Pats being set very far back. I'd just go standard 3 pt quick hitch and be done with it if you do anything. AaronSEIA
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2025 at 5:35am
| That, and in some cases the PTO shaft gets stretched out more, which might also be a negative. Moving the implement 5 inches more to the rear could require more front end weights in some applications. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2025 at 7:02am
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I'm on the other 'orange' site a lot and there's always a lot of 'problems' with 'quick hitches' 1) Not all implements are QH compatible 2) QH isn't 'standard' a cat1 QH is TRACTOR side cat1, implement side is usually cat3 ! 3) adapters are needed, $$ per implement 4) PTOs need to be extended as QH is further from tractor 5) top link attachment isn't same, need longer top link My 'cure' was to have my 3PH implement bolted to SC-3PH adapters and dedicated toplink,also bolted on. This allowed me FAST hookup and no adjustments. I know won't work for all but made my life easy. ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: 8070nc
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2025 at 7:39am
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It doesnt seem like aftermarket inmplent manufacturers can read a tape measure because they have no consistancy in 3 point dimensions. I tried quick hitches but it would work on one thing and not the next. The smallest tractor i have is a D17 series 4 with 3point hitch. With extendable lower links its easier to just hook straight up because i was always having to take the quick hitch off ------------- 1984 80780 1957 D14 DES 300 with 25000 engine 616 tractor |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2025 at 8:43am
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kinda funny how he had to "wait" 2 weeks to do his job he planned, when he could have just taken the quick connectors back off and hooked it up like normal, and did his thing lol!
I have a rural king quick hitch on one of my 5020's and it works great for my driveway drag. I think the quick hitch is a little better since the top link is connected to it as well. You do have to put the special pins on your implement though. ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2025 at 9:35am
| Some of us are old enough to remember what some J.I. Case tractors had. They called it the "Eagle-Claw" hitch. You left balls on your implement lower pull pins and the draft arms were open on the top (like a quick-coupler) and had a latch to close and trap the ball once you backed in underneath and lifted the hitch to get connected. The downsides were the draft arms were solid side-to-side. No sway whatsoever. And I imagine the strength of those open draft arm ends were only good up to less than 100 HP. |
Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2025 at 7:22pm
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Oliver also had the same type of jaws on the lower arms as the "EagleClaw" and the balls were left in place on the implement. in the later 50s many manufactures became aware of how much of a PIA hitching to larger 3PT equipment was becoming and most all devised some function to make hitching somewhat easier before the "quick hitch" came into being. Still nothing can be as easy as the SnapCoupler or FastHitch systems. The SnapCoupler has the advantage in that ALL adjustments stay with the implement and each is adjusted just as it was unhitched ready to work exactly as it did the last time it was used. The reason so may hitch attachments on the market don't match is something got miscalculated when switching MM to Inch measurement in countries that use kanjis for writing their words. ------------- If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. Real pullers don't have speed limits. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
Posted By: elmer
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2025 at 8:24pm
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Thanks guys. I think if I get anything done it will be the standard 3pt quick hitch. I had seen the Pat's stuff years ago, but had forgotten about it until it popped up the other night. I don't have the need to change things often , but getting a bit older and it seems that things just don;t seem to line up when I need to so I;m lifting , pusjhing or yanking something to get it done. If I do get something on I will have to spend a little time getting implements all in order. Thank you
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Posted By: 55allis
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2025 at 10:48pm
The factory Allis 3 point adapter could be left on the implement.. ------------- 1955 AC WD45 diesel with D262 repower, 1949 AC WD, 1963 A-C D17 series 3, several Allis garden tractors
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Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2025 at 6:07am
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The extendable lower links on the lift arms of my factory allis 3 point hitches seem to make hooking up pretty easy for me. Darrel |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2025 at 6:21am
| For sure. And the fact that you can (if you remember how) raise and lower the draft arms while standing at the rear of the tractor with the engine left running, to fine tune your hook-up. The mighty One-Ninety was the first to have that feature. Series 4's and 170 thru 185 you could reach the Position Control lever easily from the rear. One just had to remember to leave the Lift/Lower hitch lever in the T.Boost position. |
Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2025 at 7:03am
| I have a quick-hitch that was on my 1066 when I bought it, think there is another one in a shed too. Haven't found an implement that it will hook to yet, Top-link is always wrong so it just sits and takes up space. One would probably work fine for semi-mount plows, which I have several of, just not nesaceary. I have a pair of fast-hitch adaptors that work great! Also have a factory IH quick-hitch that might be good but haven't tried it yet. It's also for fast-hitch tractors. |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2025 at 5:25am
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As others have replied, QHs have some disadvantages / trade offs, etc.. if your health necessitates it, then so be it. Helpful 3 pt hookup process: 1. Square up & center tractor while backing up to implement. 2 Stop tractor so it’s lower 3pt arms are 4-6” from implement. 3. Raise/lower 3 pt arms just “below” implement’s lower link pins. ESPECIALLY IF 3pt lower arms are NOT EXACTLY LEVEL…with implement. 4. Next, Hookup pto. 5. Next, use the extendable arms to position & pin each lower 3pt arms to implement. 6. Reverse tractor to lock in its lower 3 pt extendable arms. 7. Now hookup 3pt top link & adjust it for implement level. When unhooking, reverse the hookup process by first relaxing implement tension by loosing 3pt top link tension. Once relaxed, then unhook top link. Then unhook 3pt lower arms, then pto. NONE OF THE 3pt pins should be forced/hammered out to unhook…. A major key to easier 3pt hookup/unhook is finding a “suitable topography” site for both tractor & implement. Flat helps but it’s not always necessary? Consistency is necessary or at least helpful. If both tractor & implement line up, then the tractor’s extendable lower link arms usually make hookup/unhook simple. As mentioned, there’s numerous other tactics to facilitate 3pt hookups/unhooks. Like the Decals read, “ALWAYS THINK SAFETY.” |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2025 at 6:15am
| This is exactly what I remember from 50 years ago working at the Implement dealership. Not ALL implements "like" a quick hitch to be connected to them. Sometimes it was the lower draft pins that caused the problem. Most times it seemed to be the upper claw for the top link pin that was the issue. I know there were times I had to leave the top link pin out of an implement, get the hitch locked in down below and then slide in the top pin to finish the hook-up. And then, there were the implements that were quite friendly. Oh yeah, there was also the difference between Cat #2 to Cat #3 for the bigger tractors over 100 HP. These were the days of a fully mounted chisel plow (not a disc chisel) which were too heavy for someone to muscle around to get hooked up. Moldboard plows (for the most part) were large enough, that they were semi-mounted and didn't use the top link of the 3-point. |
Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2025 at 2:21pm
Still looking for a flat spot...
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AC7060IL wrote:Posted By: TedN
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2025 at 4:24pm
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I have been using my bar clamps to help, they won't lift anything heavy but it is mostly hay tedders and fluffers that we use. The extendable arms help too. Ted ------------- 190XTD seriesIII, 190XTD seriesI, maroon belly 7000, 190XTD series??? project(or maybe parts) |