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Check your filters, guys……………

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Topic: Check your filters, guys……………
Posted By: Lars(wi)
Subject: Check your filters, guys……………
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2025 at 6:18pm
Went ahead and changed oil in the wife’s car today. Got the WIX filter, all ready to go, put a little oil on the gasket, some on the threads, spin it on, as I was tightening it down(by hand of course), I noticed the a sticker on the side, and it said ‘Made In Mexico’, holy crap wtf is this all about, a WIX filter non-the-less. O well, cross WIX filters off my list.

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I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.



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Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2025 at 7:25pm
Ever since the fiasco WIX tried to pull off years ago selling redesigned ElCheapo filters for the bypass systems of our Allis Chalmers engines, I have refused to by any WIX or NAPA filters for anything. 
  I prefer to get Fleetguard filters, Baldwin filters are also acceptable.


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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
Real pullers don't have speed limits.
If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY


Posted By: sparky
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2025 at 8:56pm
Exactly. I’ve seen Wix and Napa filters with China printed on them.

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It's the color tractor my grandpa had!


Posted By: 977.3Ford
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2025 at 9:40pm
Wix was bought out by Mann + Hummel a while ago, and i've noticed a big shift overseas since then, although i assume it started long before the merger. For the tractors/combine i primarily run Agco filters since they are usually a good bit cheaper than parts stores. Seems like they are all made in the U.S., i'm curious who is making them for Agco. Seems like at one point i got a hydraulic filter that was a regular Baldwin in an Agco box. 

I really need to start looking into Baldwin filters. Over the winter i was at a heavy duty parts store getting some stuff for our grain truck, and grabbed a set of Baldwin filters for the DT466. I don't think i paid over $60 total for 2 oil and 2 fuel filters. All made in the U.S. 


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Jimmy
1982 8050 Powershift
1982 6080
1992 R52 Gleaner


Posted By: im4racin
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2025 at 9:47pm
Napa uses different suppliers now depending on what part of the country you’re in. Our region uses hfi for auto and Baldwin for hd oil and fuel. Donaldson for air


Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2025 at 9:56pm
Recently got AGCO boxes with wix filters inside....


Posted By: 55allis
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2025 at 10:40pm
Most Carquest brand filters are made by Baldwin.


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1955 AC WD45 diesel with D262 repower, 1949 AC WD, 1963 A-C D17 series 3



Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2025 at 5:27am
The only parts stores in the little town I live is O’Reilly’s. The previous time I changed oil on this car, O’Reilly’s had Honda OEM filters, and those were stamped right on the filter ‘Made in USA’.

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I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.


Posted By: DanielW
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2025 at 12:09pm
Napa here sells both economy and premium filters. Both labelled as Napa, both made by WIX. The premium ones are made in North America (most often in Mexico, but the larger cannisters are typically USA), the economy ones are made in China. They usually have good stock of all the economy ones, but premium ones often have to be ordered in.

Other folks will rightly criticize me, but these days I put on whatever filter I can buy quickly and locally. Which for me is usually Napa economy ones, but sometimes Fram. I suspect they all have similar micron ratings, and I've never known any oil filter to fail (not in the last couple decades, anyway). Doesn't seem to bother my equipment. My Nissan Titan just rolled past 420,000 km a couple weeks ago, having used nothing but the Napa economy filters. And still runs like a top and pulls my 16' float around regularly. My old daily-driver Toyota Matrix beater had over 600k on it when I scrapped it. Engine still ran like a top, and it also saw nothing but economy filters (I'd still be driving it if I hadn't smashed the front end up on a deer).

In my opinion, regular filter/oil changes and using synthetic oil are more important to me than where the filter was made or if it's a supposed 'premium' brand. A couple decades ago I would have been concerned with where the filters were made, but not so much anymore. Not that I disagree with wanting a high-quality filter. I just doubt that any manufacturer has any wonderful secret or revolutionary QA methods that would make them so much better than others.


Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2025 at 2:55pm
Originally posted by DanielW DanielW wrote:

Napa here sells both economy and premium filters. Both labelled as Napa, both made by WIX. The premium ones are made in North America (most often in Mexico, but the larger cannisters are typically USA), the economy ones are made in China. They usually have good stock of all the economy ones, but premium ones often have to be ordered in.

Other folks will rightly criticize me, but these days I put on whatever filter I can buy quickly and locally. Which for me is usually Napa economy ones, but sometimes Fram. I suspect they all have similar micron ratings, and I've never known any oil filter to fail (not in the last couple decades, anyway). Doesn't seem to bother my equipment. My Nissan Titan just rolled past 420,000 km a couple weeks ago, having used nothing but the Napa economy filters. And still runs like a top and pulls my 16' float around regularly. My old daily-driver Toyota Matrix beater had over 600k on it when I scrapped it. Engine still ran like a top, and it also saw nothing but economy filters (I'd still be driving it if I hadn't smashed the front end up on a deer).

In my opinion, regular filter/oil changes and using synthetic oil are more important to me than where the filter was made or if it's a supposed 'premium' brand. A couple decades ago I would have been concerned with where the filters were made, but not so much anymore. Not that I disagree with wanting a high-quality filter. I just doubt that any manufacturer has any wonderful secret or revolutionary QA methods that would make them so much better than others.
DanielW : Do you remember years ago when WIX remade the packed cotton type filters our Allis Chalmers engines with the Bypass filtration system requires with a pleated paper design? You must not. These filters caused very low oil pressure and ruined many engines. As the saying goes "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." And to that I have to add if I allow myself to be fool the second time, I'M an idiot.


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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
Real pullers don't have speed limits.
If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY


Posted By: Leon B MO
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2025 at 7:24pm
Shoup has a very good selection of Baldwin for older models. I buy 90% of all my filters through there catalog. From the 8070 back to the UC. If I place an order before noon, it's here the next day.
Leon B Mo

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Uncle always said "Fill the back of the shovel and the front will take care of itself".


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2025 at 7:41pm
In my opinion, regular filter/oil changes and using synthetic oil are more important to me than where the filter was made or if it's a supposed 'premium' brand. A couple decades ago I would have been concerned with where the filters were made, but not so much anymore. Not that I disagree with wanting a high-quality filter. I just doubt that any manufacturer has any wonderful secret or revolutionary QA methods that would make them so much better than others.


very seldom ( if ever) does an engine fail because of bad filters.. Normally they just wear out or something breaks...Any more a LOT of the filters are made in Mexico and China...that being said, i use only MOTOCRAFT filters in my FORD Truck engines...they have an antidrain back valve in them.. Had trouble 15 years ago with motor TICK on startup due to low oil pressure..


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Like them all, but love the "B"s.


Posted By: DanielW
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2025 at 8:13am
Well I'll be jiggered: I spoke too soon! Only a couple weeks after my reply above where I said I use whatever filter I can get easily and quickly (and after hundreds of thousands of miles using economy filters) and having never had a problem, I actually had a filter fail over the weekend. This was on the aforementioned Titan with 420,000 clicks on it. But it was actually a Fram 'ToughGuard' filter, which (according to what I read online for that filter #) is made in the USA.

It wasn't a catastrophic failure, just a very slow drip I noticed after checking my oil and seeing it was low (truck surprisingly burns no oil, so I was curious to find where it was going). Turned out one of the spot welds on the filter that holds the gasket flange to the outside of the can must have broke when I tightened the filter up - causing part of the gasket surface to recess slightly and not seal. I've never really bothered to to check that I'm doing exactly the 'contact plus half a turn' (or whatever they recommend when tightening). I just tighten as much as I can by hand - no tools or wrenches. But I can't believe the force from me just screwing it on by hand should have been enough to break the spot weld. Very unimpressed. The replacement filter I got was a generic, Canadian-Tire economy one that was made in Mexico, but it has twice as many spot welds around that rim as the Fram one did.


Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2025 at 7:43pm

Came across this service bulletin. Thought I’d share. Hope can read it.






Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2025 at 8:17pm
Interesting. So I'm to understand it's not necessarily Fram is bad but poor maintenance policy the Fram will fail first
Honestly the only thing that deters me from using Fram is no one carries them anywhere here


Posted By: Darwin W. Kurtz
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2025 at 2:04pm
Baldwin Filters used to be made at the factory in Nebraska, they used to make a cheaper line called Casite that was made there too. Casite was always sold at Bluestem in Emporia, KS. I think Baldwin is still sold there now but, I don't know where they are made.   


Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2025 at 6:50am
I assembled AC oil filters in a summer job one summer. You don’t understand the word B O R I N G unless you’ve done something similar. Holy crap.



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