hand clutch on a wc
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Topic: hand clutch on a wc
Posted By: acwdwcman
Subject: hand clutch on a wc
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2010 at 7:34pm
| is it rare to have a hand clutch on an unstylled wc.. |
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Posted By: countryguy828
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2010 at 7:35pm
| I friend of mine has one, the only one I have seen with my own eyes though. |
Posted By: norm[ind]
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2010 at 7:38pm
| got to find one first |
Posted By: acwdwcman
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2010 at 7:39pm
| the guy i bought my tractor off of said that it was an option and not many of them were on tractors.. but i know it is not just a add on from another company cuz it says allis chalmers on it and it has a part # to |
Posted By: countryguy828
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2010 at 7:46pm
| I'd like to see pics :) |
Posted By: acwdwcman
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2010 at 7:47pm
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ill try to get some it might take a while i got a basketball game tomarrow.
and its to late tonight
plus got to get it out of the shed
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Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2010 at 7:51pm
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Are you talking about a hand clutch instead of the foot clutch pedal or the afermarket hand clutch (extra clutch) built by Sudenga Industries in George Iowa to get live PTO on WC's and WF's ? ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: acwdwcman
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2010 at 7:58pm
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extra clutch
not for live pto at lest i dont think so
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Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2010 at 8:01pm
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The "extra clutch" was in place of the power lift and was installed to get live PTO for Roto Balers. I have one and have seen many more but they are not real common. ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: acwdwcman
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2010 at 8:20pm
| it probably is cuz i dont have the lift on it |
Posted By: Osage_Orange
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2010 at 8:21pm
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I'd like to see some pics also. ------------- Why is there never time to do it right the first time, but always time to go back and fix it? |
Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2010 at 8:35pm
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This is not my tractor but is the "Extra clutch" ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: HagerAC
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2010 at 9:08pm
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That is the additonal clutch to give WC tractors live power. We have one of these, but is not installed on any of our tractors at the time. It came on our '37 WC with a factory wide front. ------------- 30+ A-Cs ranging from a 1928 20-35, to a 1984 8070FWA, Gleaner R52 |
Posted By: MNLonnie
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2010 at 9:09pm
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Is it a true clutch? A couple of mine have the disengage lever but you have to use the real clutch to re-engage. ------------- Waukesha B, B, IB, G, styled WF, D15, 615 backhoe, 2-Oliver OC3's, 4 Ford Model T's, 3 Model A Fords, AV8 Coupe, AV8 Roadster, 1933 Ford Wrecker |
Posted By: TedBuiskerN.IL.
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2010 at 9:43pm
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That was an after market dry clutch (real clutch). TSC sold them in the early 50's. There was also a run in oil clutch that looked similar to a Sherman overdrive. Dave Ferguson and I took the top cover off one at Hutchinson about 10 years ago, to see what it was like inside. It had the overdrive in conjunction with the wet clutch. Only one of those I've ever seen. ------------- Most problems can be solved with the proper application of high explosives. |
Posted By: Bill Long
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2010 at 11:15am
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You know, I have never seen that arrangement on a WC. Thanks for posting. Good Luck! Bill Long |
Posted By: Good
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2010 at 12:06pm
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That would be night and day difference in the usefullness of my WC. I'd love to find one myself. It looks like a pretty big clutch should be tuff but I wonder how it would do being slipped all day like when you need to go slow through a big windrow. ------------- B212,716,two 314H's,WC,WD,D19,190XT |
Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2010 at 4:00pm
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The clutch itself is a 'Twin Disc'. One should not be that hard to find. The first one that I saw was at a dealer's lot in '93 and then I saw another one at another dealer's lot the same day. Told my uncle about it when I got home. It was old news to him. He installed one in 1951. I've seen about 10 over the years. If you go to the Sudenga website, they mention the 'Extra Clutch' as one of their early inovative products. ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: Brian G. NY
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2010 at 4:28pm
| ACWDWCMAN says ot has the Allis-Chalmers name on it. Did Allis ever make one themselves? |
Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2010 at 5:50pm
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Hi I have one just like the picture Calvin Schmidt posted. Like every thing I have it is fo sale. 785-353-2392 Thanks |
Posted By: acwdwcman
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2010 at 9:50pm
| well calvin mine doesnt look like that at all mine is connected to the foot clutch |
Posted By: Brian G. NY
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2010 at 10:18pm
| That explains a lot! Would like to see pictures. |
Posted By: acwdwcman
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2010 at 3:44pm
| im trying to get some pics now |
Posted By: Rfdeere
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2010 at 4:20pm
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So it is just a handle that operates the foot clutch ? I Don't see the benefit ? ------------- Randy Freshour,Member Indiana AC Partners, http://www.rumelyallis.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.rumelyallis.com |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2010 at 4:38pm
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You would see the benefit if your left leg didn't work or wasn't there.
------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: acwdwcman
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2010 at 9:25pm
| or if you r in a parade and your legg gets tired and worn out |
Posted By: acwdwcman
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2010 at 2:47pm
| i will get pics when i get home from school |
Posted By: acwdwcman
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2010 at 4:37pm
  this is my hand clutch
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Posted By: Chad (MN)
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2010 at 9:47pm
This is the sherman hand clutch/underdrive set up we have on a WC.
 Chad (MN) ------------- 220 3-190XT 2-D19d D19g 5-D17 UC 3-WC 2-WD 3-WD45 CA C H3 7-AllCrops 14-plows 3-Gleaners Lawnmowers SC-equipment |
Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2010 at 6:44am
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Chad. Is that an oil clutch that gives the WC live PTO ? ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: Chad (MN)
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2010 at 11:45am
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The sherman set up is the same tractor Ted Buisker referenced from a show in Hutchinson a few years back. The clutch pack does run in oil but is set up more like a CA hand clutch which "disconnects" power to the rear end. ------------- 220 3-190XT 2-D19d D19g 5-D17 UC 3-WC 2-WD 3-WD45 CA C H3 7-AllCrops 14-plows 3-Gleaners Lawnmowers SC-equipment |
Posted By: CTALLIS
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2010 at 5:53pm
| I have the same unit, it has the lever for the hand clutch but no clutch inside. for sale or trade if anyones interested. |