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Topic: seller backed out
Posted By: Charlie175
Subject: seller backed out
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2010 at 7:09am
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Ever travel to buy something that has been advertised only to have the seller tell you it's not for sale now even though you talked to him an hour before? Highly aggravating. ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
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Posted By: BobHnwO
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2010 at 8:04am
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Cause he had another buyer for more MONEY!!!!!!!
------------- Why do today what you can put off til tomorrow. |
Posted By: dannyraddatz
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2010 at 8:09am
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Charlie,
You could have traveled 4 hours like I did this summer to bring one home only to find out it was nothing like the seller said it was and then have him tell you take it or leave it. I left it and said maybe the next guy wouldn't be as nice as me when he leaves. Honesty and a persons word means a lot to me but there are a lot of bottom feeders out there it means nothing too.
Danny ------------- Danny Raddatz |
Posted By: firebrick43
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2010 at 8:33am
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Or put a deposit down and have a bill of sale but haven't picked it up and have the seller back out. Yea, someone offered more money after we made the deal. (kept saying "you understand don't you, I am retired and need the money") Probably could have taken him to court but the effort involved was to great. At least I got my deposit back. |
Posted By: Butch(OH)
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2010 at 9:44am
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Goes both ways, I have been on both sides.
A member here accused me last month of being less than a straight up type when I sold one of our model As to another member. Member 1 was kicking tires and I said if anyone else shows interest I'll call you, well in the mean time member 2 called and said where and how to you want funds to transfer for said tractor? What is a person supposed to do? refuse cash and hold it while member 1 kicks tires? I ended up being a SOB with member 1 but money is in bank account and tractor sold.
A person needs to have things for sale and deal with all the BS that goes around in order to appriciate the things that sellers and buyers try to pull. I have also been on the other side. Made purchase and while the seller was supposably trying to decide how he wanted the funds the tractor got sold it to buyer 2 for more money.
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Posted By: Dick L
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2010 at 9:51am
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If you are into buying you will run into those things. Part of dealing with people.
I answered an ad for six tractors for sell for one money. After talking to the fellow several times and getting the condition of each tractor I agreed to pay his price. I sent him a check. I called to make sure he had received the check and he said he had and would take it to the bank the next day. I told him I would be down in a month to get the tractors. I had two other people with trailers lined up to go with me to pick them up. A week later I received the unchashed check back with a note that he had sold them to another for more money.
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Posted By: David Gibson (OH)
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2010 at 9:51am
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I always try to make it clear that first cash takes it. If a buyer wants to hem haw around then he is taking a chance that someone else might get it. ------------- David Gibson http://www.darkecountysteam.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.darkecountysteam.com 1956 WD45 |
Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2010 at 10:03am
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The best you can do is take cash and the trailer, and hope the stuff is what it was represented to be, and still there. If you buy stuff, you're guarenteed to get burned a few times. It's a cost of doing business.... |
Posted By: Nathan (SD)
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2010 at 10:38am
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Glenn is right. If you can't get wheels under it after the cash transaction, you are probably gonna have problems. I have learned too. Cash is fine. Just get their John Hancock that says you paid.
Lesson 2. If I aint got the money to buy it, I don't ask if its for sale. Just gets sold to someone else that much faster.
Dave is right too. First one here with the money, wins.
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Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2010 at 10:54am
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I agree but he just said he changed his mind to not sell it, which is his choice, just aggravating when 3 prior calls the day before he was anxious to sell. I think he got several other calls and he caught on to the fact that what he was selling was worth a lot more than he thought as he didn't know what he had. He knew in the beginning that is was Orange and that was about it. The next day he told us he changed his mind he knew the full model # and all. Oh well, can't get them all cheap :) ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: split51
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2010 at 11:30am
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I actually drove 14 hours one time to pick up a 34 dodge pickup cab and frame the guy had priced to me for 15. It was a little high at the time but I wanted it. When I got there, I looked it over and it was a bit rougher than described but was still buildable. I pulled out my wallet and handed him 1500.00, He looked at me and said 15,000.00, not 1500.00. At the time these cabs were not even bringing 1000.00.
I never will make that mistake again, I always make clear the cost before a roadtrip now. ------------- 1929 20-35 sn17662 B1 w/snow blade B10 w/sickle mower B110 w/mower deck B110 w/tiller B112 w/grader blade B210 w/plo |
Posted By: David Gibson (OH)
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2010 at 11:50am
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I've been there. Thank goodness it was just down the road a piece and not 14 hours away. ------------- David Gibson http://www.darkecountysteam.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.darkecountysteam.com 1956 WD45 |
Posted By: morton(pa)
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2010 at 12:33pm
| Yeah well, imagine driving all the way to Omaha Nebraska from Lancaster PA to buy a 1942 Chevy Truck. Well, lets just say it didn't go as planned, and it wasn't as I thought it was described to be. |
Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2010 at 12:39pm
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Oh heck, stop whining....
I drove all the way to New Hampshire for B#116 and all I got was this part of B#119... LOL
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Posted By: AllisChalmers37
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2010 at 3:56pm
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That B is rough!! LOL.
Jeff, that would be crazy. I love Dodge trucks but I can tell you that no cab and frame, in that condition, is worth $15,000. If I was a bettin' man I would say that he either still has that cab and frame or he got some sense and sold it to someone for ALOT less than he was asking. ------------- 1937 WC, 1950 CA, 1959 D14, 1967 190XT, 2006 Ram 3500 |
Posted By: Bob-Maine
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2010 at 4:08pm
| Looks like Glenn put a rag under the strap at the differential so that it wouldn't mar the finish :>) Bob@allisdowneast |
Posted By: Steve M
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2010 at 4:13pm
| Bob- He probably didn't want to hurt the strap. |
Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2010 at 5:02pm
| Steve wins. It is a piece of inner tube. Those straps cost $12 at TSC !!!!! |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2010 at 5:42pm
| Drove like a madman to get home from work, hooked up the trailer and hauled butt to get a loader I had lined up through Craigslist, guy only had to have $5500.00 for a 450G Deere; well I got to his farm and the machine was real rough, bad track chains, bad track pads, a number of damaged or missing rollers, etc. Then he said it would not start, needed a battery but it also wouldn't take a jump; oh and by the way his price "had been too low in the ad as per his Buds and he had to have $12,000 for it. I hit him hard enough to jar the alarm on the closest car if there had been one, I packed up and left, wasted a tank of fuel, a long good days afternoon and he tried a stunt like that. He never pressed charges nor has he relisted it, and it still sits where I saw it last. |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2010 at 6:26pm
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If dealing with big $$$$"s best to know WHO the person is and WHAT the unit is .The hundred miles and no sales are a brush under the rug for small dallor's and a learning thing that just happens!. I have bought some high $$$$ tractors far away ,but knew who I was dealing with and made out very well . If somenoe wants you to call them if someone else is interested THAT tells me they are not!!!! and could just be a "TIRE KICKER" just waiting to see if someone else would pay your price ! |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2010 at 8:12pm
| Charley I don't know if this will help ya feel better but my wife wishes that would happen to me sometimes. |
Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2010 at 8:34pm
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If I have something for sale, I make it very clear that the first with the money is the new owner. Once I say it's sold, It's sold even if a higher offer comes along. I can walk down the street without looking back over my shoulder. I haven't had any problems buying either but clear communication is a must. ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: TREVMAN
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2010 at 9:01pm
| I sold a venture van a couple of weeks ago, and I hate it. Relatives wanted it, and I refused, of course on my wifes side, so that was fun. I priced the unit at $1500 firm, and had every tire kicker in the city for the next 6 days show up. One guy offered me $800, I went into the house and hit the garage door closer and went and sat down in the living room to watch TV. The guy hung around for a while and finally left. Three guys said its sold and were off to get cash, never saw any of them again. Another guy came with his tools and wanted to take stuff apart before he bought. I sent him on his way, he couldnt understand why I wouldnt let him take the transmission apart! I got to the point where it was here it is, take it or leave it. This summer I traveled 4 hours one way to buy a boat motor. I took my stuff withme, asked if I could fire the engine, dont need to start it just need to know it will fire/start. Old guy says go ahead, it fired right off. Then I ask him, can I do a compression test, go ahead he says, it checks out good. Thenhe says, maybe I'm not asking enough for the unit...I says PARDON? After some unpleasent wrangling, he sells it to me for his original asking price. People are bizarre...TREV. |
Posted By: 1946WP
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2010 at 10:17pm
| supposed to have bought a ford pu once . had looked at it that day and called the guy that nite & we made a deal & I asked if he wanted to bring him the money that nite & he said no. wait til the next day because he had friends over. I went there the next day and he had sold it for what he first asked. I looked at him & said thanks & I hope the check bounces.I found a dodge 3 days later with just afew more miles for half the price . I put over 200,000 on it. maybe somebody was looking out for me. |
Posted By: On-the_road_again
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2010 at 7:51am
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Same rules apply ......
A hundred years ago, if you wanted to buy a horse you would
ride out and look it over - buy it if the price was right
Same thing with a wagon or a plow ....
If the price was too low and you had common sense,
you were rightly suspicious and looked a little closer
Everyone here had to get on a computer to share their thoughts
That same computer can bring you every possible picture of
what you want to buy before you leave the driveway
Something priced too good to be true usually is just that
Jim
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Posted By: Kevin(Alabama)
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2010 at 8:00am
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Sorry to hear that someone would back away from there word. I will never forget the help you gave me on the NH 675 backhoe that was for sale in your area. (I'm using it today.) If you ever find something in this area I would be more than happy to help you. ------------- "I would die a thousand deaths before I would betray a friend."...Sam Davis, Nov. 27, 1863.....DEO VINDICE |
Posted By: Darrell G (MN)
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2010 at 8:37pm
| This whole thing about buying and selling boils down to what is your integrity worth. If your word has no value then have at it. I remember my Father made many deals on a handshake and his word. Business was conducted for years that way. I think greed has erode morals and integrity and therefore we have deals that have been mentioned in this post. If a person advertises an item for sale and said the price is firm then either say yes or no. I have had people think if they discredit my item that I will sell it for less, just the opposite, the item to that person soon becomes no longer for sale. I guess I will get off my soaqpbox now, thanks for reading. Just my opinion. |
Posted By: Harvey/pa
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2010 at 9:49pm
| Brillant minds do think alike Darrell. Soon after I moved here I "bought" a wd-45 with power steering from a nearby farmer, he says "needs a new battery, pay me when you pick it up" He never got around to that even tho I did stop with the money several times. Found out he had listed it on his Public Sale ad later that spring. "Just buy it at the sale & if it brings less, thats what you pay & if it brings more I'll split it with you" He had his Son-in-Law bid it up & I stopped bidding, they got stuck! Tried to sell it to me after & I said "NO THANKS" bought a better one cheaper short while later, no PS tho...Harvey |
Posted By: 1946WP
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2010 at 7:25am
| well one good thing is that the good & honest people out weigh the others . I guess I've made alot more honest deals than dishonest ones , but human nature sets in & we remember the bad ones. |
Posted By: Byron WC in SW Wi
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2010 at 7:49am
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Integrity goes both ways. If your going to buy something that you know is way below value do you offer more for it than the person is asking? If you guys are driving half way across the country to buy something then you most likely have more disposable income than the people selling it. I would guess most of the complaints are from one time sellers or buyers who don't know all the games or places to sell or buy. Anyway, a persons word is a persons word but if you get mad because the guy figured out he was selling something too low and you couldn't take advantage of him before he figured that out shame on you. If you would've offered him more than he was asking but even still less than total value it most likely would've been yours and you'd both be happy. I don't buy a lot but I've never bought something private party that I thought was or was a great deal. In most cases I pay what the guy is asking and don't talk them down because it's either worth that or at least worth that to me. I know guys who will talk down a great deal just to see what they can get away with and then brag about it later. It reminds me of those get rich quick schemes where you pay somebody less for their home than it's worth then put a few bucks into it and make a killing. Did you tell the owners that hey you could do that too or did you just take advantage of them? I'll get off my soap box. |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2010 at 9:22am
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that would be like walking into a dealers lot and seeing a price of $5,000 and then offering them $5,500 for it because that is what you saw another one for sale for. The guys ad I stumbled on because he had it worded wrong, how many times do we see that? Properly worded it would have brought more attention to it. The guy put a value on what he was selling and that was his choice. ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: countryguy828
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2010 at 9:47am
Reminds of that pickers show on History Channel, they talk these people down to bottom dollar and then some so they can make big money off of them, then brag to the whole world about it. I like to see the neat stuff they come across but I really don't like the way they treat people.
But what do I know, I am just some dumb guy.
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Byron WC in SW Wi wrote:Posted By: firebrick43
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2010 at 12:02pm
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Trev post about checking compression reminded me of another burned trip. I was looking for a 1 ton dually ford with manual transmission and crew/super cab. Not a real common combination but one came up for sale in Louisville area. I call the fellow and he tells me its in wonderful shape, paints good(I asked specifically about rust) and just one small surface rust spot on the door. Since my sister lives in louisville my wife and I made a weekend out of it. Get there and there was a surface rust area on the door and a fist sized hole at the back corner of the cab. The guy walks out in his alligator boots and slicked back hair. Well I decided to look over the rest of the truck to see what shape mechanically it was in and he leaves me alone to check compression/do an inspection. Open the hood, find several mice nest, remove them. Check compression(actually comes out ok) test drive it and it runs ok. Get back and start dickering with the man about the "rust" issue and the peeling paint. He has it priced at blue book "excellent" value and I mention the rust that he "failed" to mention when I ask specifically about and spent 3 hours driving to see. Well he was a used car salesman for years and knew more than I did about the value so take it or leave it. Well the used car salesman part sent off bells in my head and maybe why the truck had such low mileage for its age/condition. So that was that. As I was packing up and leaving he had the gall to ask what the compression test was so he could tell the next prospective purchaser. I gave him the finger. |