Coming up on 40 years old
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Printed Date: 30 Jan 2025 at 5:23pm
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Topic: Coming up on 40 years old
Posted By: Lynn Marshall
Subject: Coming up on 40 years old
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2025 at 9:38pm
  
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Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2025 at 10:07pm
 sorry there is no crying emoji------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2025 at 3:49am
 Yes there is. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2025 at 4:23am
| Just does not to this day seem real. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2025 at 8:38am
| I remember being at an unofficial Dealer meeting just before the Deutz thing actually took place. There was a rumor that Kubota was also interested in buying the Allis-Chalmers farm equipment division. Many of us were hoping that would happen, as they had a line of smaller tractors and nothing over 100 HP for sure and maybe not over 60 or 70 HP at the time. They had a very small dealer network. Their color was ORANGE !! A veteran dealer stood up and said " At this point we should hope ONE of them gets A-C bought out. Because if they don't, we are all finished." |
Posted By: Lynn Marshall
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2025 at 10:21am
| I find it almost comical now after reading those letters. High horsepower tractors of modern design, new technologies, many new features???? What we finally got was the 9100 series. A White tractor with a duetz engine and green paint. Now,those tractors were actually pretty good, for what they were, but they were certainly a step backwards from the 8000 series Allis. I don't remember if the monetary exchange figured into why the tractors never got built in Germany?? And if the 8000 series were going to be changed,I can't believe that wouldn't have been an improvement. A third range or even a full power shift was probably just around the corner. It's as if there wasn't much thought into this takeover and not understanding your customer base. Kubota would have been a much better choice in my opinion. Look where they are now. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2025 at 10:33am
| And look where Kubota could be now, if they had latched on to the 8000 series, maybe even with their own engine !! The White driveline was fine, for a non-power shift transmission, but the 8000's as-is with a new engine for a couple three more years would have been better (I think) than the White chassis experiment. |
Posted By: NEVER green
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2025 at 10:36am
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Sigh, had a good day going. ------------- 2-8050 1-7080 6080 D-19 modelE & A 7040 R50 |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2025 at 12:35pm
| Thanks Lynn for posting this! Solves a few mystery rumors over the years- just to think Allis had a big show in Vegas a few years earlier- then selling it all a few years later,,, tough to understand but it happened! |
Posted By: 55allis
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2025 at 1:14pm
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Wonder how many of those sheets got ripped up when Allis dedicated dealers got those? ------------- 1955 AC WD45 diesel with D262 repower, 1949 AC WD45 |
Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2025 at 2:42pm
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Reading between the lines you can tell they had no intention of continuing the 8000 series. What a shame. Those tractors could have soldiered on for several more years (especially with the updates that were in the works). But I said before, Deutz did not want AC tractors. They had their own. Imagine an 8000 with an air cooled engine though! My mechanic neighbor has a Deutz DX90 tractor and he absolutely loves the engine. ------------- '49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '61 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080 |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2025 at 3:38pm
| In Deutz-Fahr's defense, they bought the A-C Farm equipment division. They didn't buy a brick and mortar factory to continue to build tractors of any kind in. They didn't acquire the Gleaner combine factory either. A-C NEVER owned the Gleaner combine plant !! and most people don't know that. The Moorman Church owned it and A-C leased it from them for decades. |
Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2025 at 3:54pm
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The 600 # Gorilla that was in the room was the upstairs gents at West Allis. They were in panic mode to save parts of AC - they got almost nothing from the industrial division - they got good money for the Ag division - but it was already spent. The ones who made the decision probably didn't know an 8000 from an 800 garden tractor. When the $ drain was so bad they could not plug it - the rats left the ship. No one ever said 'what if'. Yes there were better marriages in theory than the West Germans. But what did happen was some IH truckers and an old AC guy did form AGCO. Us old AC guys also don't like the fact that if it were not for the Gleaner combine - the demise would have been a decade earlier. Gleaner was the cash cow for the Ag division- a fact the Gleaner plant guys always complained about. They wanted to go independent with Cummins engines but Milwaukee would not let them go. Also hindsight is a lot better than making decisions when one is up to ones butt in alligators. ------------- When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money.. |