Gleaner mystery
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Topic: Gleaner mystery
Posted By: Acguywill
Subject: Gleaner mystery
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2025 at 11:52pm
| I am trying to figure out what model my dad's first combine was. He bought it used in the late 70's and it looked like an L or L2 but it had a different letter designation. We can't remember what it was but remember being told it was maybe an export model. I remember dad ordering parts and bearings for various repairs and if you ordered for an L or something more common they would be wrong as this machine had heavier drives in places. Any ideas as to what it was? I haven't been able to find any pictures of it yet but remember that it had black electrical tape over part of the letter to make it look like an L. |
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2025 at 7:50am
| Model "L" from 1972 to 1976. See thru grain tank extension. Model "L-2" from 1977 thru 1982. 1977 models also having the see thru grain tank extension. 1978 and up the grain tank was galvanzied all the way to the top of the cab roof. Model "L-3" from 1983 til the end 1987 ???? The 2 and 3 series began at certain serial numbers. Over the years there were drives changed and beefed up. The only really obvious drive I can remember is the optional belt driven thresher beater on the left side of the throat. I doubt that was even available on the 72-73 models. The straw chopper drives were different as time went on. It may have had a newer chopper/chopper drive on an older machine which could have caused some parts issues maybe ?? |
Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2025 at 7:55am
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Working with pre production Rice series Gleaners in the late '70's we knew about everything coming out of the plant - even the one that drove backwards - and I never knew of any machines for export that were different. On any machine one can look at the parts books under parts.agco and in some models there will be shielding that is different to meets others safety specs - and that will be labels 'export' and some headers sent down under had different specs. I remember a lot of export deals gone wrong where the model # were off -as in the New Idea Baler models designation #'s that were different from the Hesston #'s. There were 'Taco L's from Mexico in the early 80's. Other than that - I just can't help w/o more info. ------------- When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money.. |
Posted By: Acguywill
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2025 at 9:50am
| I will have to ask dad for more details. I remember it was a diesel but not a hydro. We had a 6r30 corn head on it and also a pickup head for it. I can remember driving it while dad would check for losses but was only 10 when he traded it for a new N5 for the 84 harvest. I also remember finally peeling the tape off the sticker on the old combine when they came to pick it up but have no recollection of what was under it. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2025 at 10:22am
| Was the steering wheel mounted to a vertical steering column that was between your legs when pulled backwards far enough ?? That would be L2-L3 generation. |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2025 at 11:43am
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ACguyWill, do you remember which of the following striped decal combinations were on this Gleaner?? “Orange/black” “DeutzGreen/black” |
Posted By: Acguywill
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2025 at 12:03pm
| It had the steering wheel mounted on a curved arm. It was definitely not not an L model sticker on the side though. It was orange and black. I remember the neighbor who used to custom combine for dad had an L. This machine was different than it. It seemed bigger but maybe that was just the tire size. I just went through all the old photo albums mom has and couldn't find a single picture of it. If I get real curious maybe I'll go back through dad's old financial records and see if I can find some paper work. |
Posted By: DanielW
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2025 at 12:29pm
When you said the letter decal was orange and black the first thing I thought of was the N5, but I doubt that's it. I don't know my Gleaners nearly as well as others, but if the 'curved arm' you mention supporting the steering wheel curved from the right over to the centre, I think that would have to make it an early L or an early M. Was it something like this picture?
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2025 at 12:32pm
| A curved pipe coming from the right side of the cab for the steering wheel is a 1972 thru 1976 model "L" OR a 1973 thru 1976 model "M". No other Gleaner combine had that kind of a steering wheel set-up. |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2025 at 2:04pm
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AChuyWill, did your Gleaner M have factory installed air conditioning? If so, was its outdoors condenser housing either of the following? -Painted gray smooth slender rectangular unit mounted on the left side of grain tank just above unloading auger?(1973). -painted cream color trapezoidal/rectangular shape housing mounted back on engine’s housing left side just above engine ladder?(1974-1975) |
Posted By: Acguywill
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2025 at 2:19pm
| With the time-line it would have to be an L or M as it does have the curved steering as shown in the picture. I think it had ac as I don't remember running it with the door or window open. Like I said I was only 10 when dad traded it off and didn't get much time in the cab as there were other chores to be done. I guess now the real question is why would it have a different model sticker on it? And what would it have been? |
Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2025 at 10:32pm
| Maybe Someone turned the L into a C or a G or U |
Posted By: Acguywill
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2025 at 10:35am
| Somebody turned whatever the decal was into an L. One other thing I remember is that the combine was too tall to get in the shop, the N fit but whatever this was did not. Possibly had non folding hopper extensions on it? I wish mom wasn't so frugal with picture taking back in the day, it would make things a lot easier now! As a side question looking at the old gleaner models why did the M have a bigger hopper than the L? |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2025 at 10:46am
| A model "M" did NOT ever have a larger grain tank than a model "L" if they are the same model year and equipped the same with the standard bin or the optional bin. I only remember 1978 and newer...M2-M3 180 bushels.....L2-L3 200 bushels. The model "L" is approx 50 inches wide at the rear tail and the model "M" is approx 40 inches wide. And an N5-series would have been lower than an L-series with the optional large tires. |
Posted By: Acguywill
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2025 at 11:09am
| I just went off what I found on the Gleaner timeline thread. 150bu on the M, 120bu on the L. As far as width goes I would have to say dad's was wider so not an M. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2025 at 11:39am
| If the N-5 was lower than the "mystery" combine, it was an L-series. 23.1 x 34 drive tires on an L-series is tall compared to an N-series at cab roof height. The "M" series only had a 30 inch tire and was noticeably lower than the model L. |
Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2025 at 4:01pm
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No, M's always had a smaller bin than any L , unless the L did not have bin extensions. The M2,L2 were of two different versions. The '76's - called a 77 and the 1977 M2,L2 had non foldable bin extension that was above the cab - the auto fold out extensions that rose with the fill auger were about flush with the cab and one could not see them when empty. ------------- When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money.. |
Posted By: Acguywill
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2025 at 5:16pm
| Is it likely that 120bu was the bin capacity of an L without the extensions? Were there different versions of the L or just different years with changes made along the way? I tried looking on the agco parts book website but could not find any Gleaners older than an R65 on it. I wonder if they had specific custom cutter models or corn or wheat models back then? I was hoping to find decals that would help me figure this out beyond the fact that this was an L of some variation. Spent some time looking through dad's old financials from back then but had no luck as everything from 77 to 90 were destroyed to make room at some point in time. Was interesting to look back and see how things have changed on our farm... for better or worse. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2025 at 6:21pm
| Model "L" standard grain bin was 120 bushels. Optional tank extensions made it 185 bushels. |
Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2025 at 9:38pm
Forwarding photos for Dr. Allis   
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