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Topic: Deutz hay rake widths
Posted By: Northern Hoser
Subject: Deutz hay rake widths
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2025 at 1:15pm
Hi all, I looked and came up empty, the Deutz or Deutz Fahr hay rakes, ks85, ks1.5 ks1.7 etc, do the numbers have anything to do with the width?

I'm looking at a ks85 and looks very similar to my brother's ks1.50

How wide is the ks85?

Thanks, Matt



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Posted By: DanielW
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2025 at 6:22am
I'm afraid I can't help with sizing, but I might add a word of caution: Some of those KS series of Deutz hay rakes were the first of the newer-style rotary rakes to come on the scene in North America. I'm a huge fan of rotary rakes; I'd never go back to a rolabar or wheel rake after having used a rotary. But I'd steer clear of those earlier Deutz's myself unless it was in pristine shape for a good price and you have very smooth land to run it on. They were notorious for stripping the teeth off the ring gears. One of the reasons rotary rakes took so long to catch on over here in North America was because those Deutz's left a foul taste in people's mouths. A pile were sold around my area in Canada because some Quebec dealers brought in loads of them. Most of them now seem to be sitting broken in fence rows or advertised as parts machines online, because the cost to fix them was far more than they were worth. It's too bad, because all other Deutz equipment I've been around was very well built.

I'm told the later Deutz rotaries (the 'Swatmaster' series) were much better, but don't have any first-hand experience to confirm. Krone, Kuhn, or Pottinger would be my choice. Even the old Tonutti's were very well built compared to the earlier Deutz's. And the newer Krone's and Samasz's are better yet.

For info on sizing, you might have better luck posting your question on the 'HayTalk' forum. There are a lot of big-time haymakers from overseas who follow that forum and likely know the Deutz-Fahr rakes pretty well. There's really nothing 'Allis' about them except the 'Deutz-Allis' sticker that was slapped on the ones brought over here to try and appeal to the North American market.


Posted By: Northern Hoser
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2025 at 8:04pm
Great points thanks for the reply. Yeah I'm in Ontario see them come up for sale $1-1.5k when others are $2-3k.

The jack screw lift seems to be a real problem with them too.

Matt



Posted By: Acguywill
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2025 at 10:29am
We had a ks1.50. I think it was about a 9 or 10 foot working width. I found a picture of a ks85 and it looks smaller, maybe 8 foot, idk hard to tell from a picture. We replaced the lift screw with a hydraulic cylinder and it worked great. Was especially nice for fields with rough patches and pivot tracks as you could adjust the height as required. The rake worked well overall but was built very light and if you don't enjoy welding or fabricating don't buy one. They were built for small smooth fields with no rocks and careful operators.



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