D17 diesel running my AC conditioner
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Topic: D17 diesel running my AC conditioner
Posted By: AC720Man
Subject: D17 diesel running my AC conditioner
Date Posted: 19 May 2024 at 8:35pm
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https://youtube.com/shorts/SMp5Dw68zrw?feature=shared" rel="nofollow - https://youtube.com/shorts/SMp5Dw68zrw?feature=shared Short video of my D17 running my conditioner this afternoon. We have a short window of opportunity in the forecast. Always run it on 1st cutting to speed up the drying process and to make the hay softer for horses. It has saved us many times over the years. Disc mower did a good job of picking up some laid over hay to mow it. We have been blessed with too much rain over the past 3 weeks. My D17 did a great job and I am very pleased with how it performed since I gave it a make over last year. It’s the 1st big test since it’s completion last fall. Never went over 170 degrees all afternoon. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
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Posted By: Tom59
Date Posted: 19 May 2024 at 9:29pm
| You make that look easy. |
Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 19 May 2024 at 9:56pm
| That looks like some nice seat time and fluffing up and reconditioning that hay should get it to dry quick. |
Posted By: Ky.Allis
Date Posted: 19 May 2024 at 10:52pm
| Brings back memories (Not Good Ones) of me 50 years ago. We pulled the same machine with a Farmall H in tall, thick orchard grass and you ALWAYS had a BIG SHARP knife with you to cut wrapped hay off the steel roller. Lots of sweating and foul language took place. |
Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 19 May 2024 at 11:17pm
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Yup funny how the sound of them running triggers memories. Iv been thinking of trying to do that to. Run hay through hay conditioner to help dry.
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Posted By: Gary(VA)
Date Posted: 20 May 2024 at 4:36am
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Looks to be doing a nice job, keeping it up the ground for air flow. I knocked down about half of what I normally would yesterday just cause the window is so tight and hay was pretty thick. Hope you get it in with no rain.
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Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 20 May 2024 at 9:04am
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I know some folks think it’s crazy to run a conditioner after it just went through the disc mower but it makes a huge difference when the orchard grass is 4 1/2’ tall. The field in the video contains mixed grass hay but as you can see the fertilizer did it’s job and produced a really thick crop. We mowed 1 field of orchard grass 3 weeks ago using the same equipment. Mowed it Monday afternoon and baled it Thursday afternoon. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 20 May 2024 at 12:18pm
| Not crazy at all we have a Cunningham crimper with intermeshing steel rolls and will run hay thru it to help dry. If hay gets a rain on it, it fluffs the rows. |
Posted By: Tim NH
Date Posted: 20 May 2024 at 5:06pm
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Robbie that's a nice combination getting it done. Years ago we had a Cunningham conditioner. Tim ------------- 1950 WD 1959 D14 1955 WD45 1976 7000 B 207 |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 21 May 2024 at 10:30pm
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I’ve heard the stories of these conditioners wrapping the rollers. I purchased this one a few years ago from a really good friend who also shared those stories. I went through the machine, replaced a bad bearing on the rubber roller, and made some adjustments per the manual. It’s only wrapped on me once when I mistakingly hit the foot clutch while reaching for the power director to go to neutral due to a clump of hay that I was coming up on. My fault, a few quick cuts of my pocket knife and all was good. I have nothing bad to say about it, it has really done a great job for me. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 22 May 2024 at 6:28am
| Ok dumb question. Does your disc mower not have a conditioner in it? Around here I've seen some with and without |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 22 May 2024 at 8:16am
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Yes sir, we purchased a used JD 910 MoCo over the winter. One owner machine that was kept inside and is in great condition. It has the rubber rolls for crimping. It does a nice job and we are very pleased with it. NH was our preferred choice but we spent 2 years looking for a nice one in our price range but failed to find one. Hopefully our next purchase will be a rotary rake. We have used a NH 57 rake for the past 50 years and it’s time to update. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 22 May 2024 at 10:48pm
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That’s not a dumb question, sometimes I don’t make things clear when I post. That’s my fault for leaving information out. Thanks for asking. Rob ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: rw
Date Posted: 23 May 2024 at 4:45am
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I had a seventeen Diesel. Never really sure what year or series other than it was kind of early and the Allis Chalmers labels were on aluminum molding fastened to the side of the steel hood. I really liked the smooth power of the six cylinder. I was probably lucky I never had cylinder head trouble or transmission trouble. I used it in hay pulling a 9 foot New Idea 299 Mow-ditioner. The mower was forgettable due to wobble box issues and frame cracks but the tractor I still miss a little. Don't wait two years for the rotary rake, get busy and find one soon. We are in Central indiana so we probably have similar humidity and seasonal temperatures about hay time. The way the rotary stands the hay up in the windrow is the difference maker. The hay feeds better into the baler. Hay finishes drying much sooner and therefore stays better in the bale with less mold dust and soil dust in the bales so the bale rings are cleaner at the end of a bale. I wanted to put 44 feet in a windrow when I bought my side delivery two basket and to keep soil out of my silage bales which it has done. After the second or third season feeding the bales I began to notice probably the quality and reduced waste as the better payoff in my operation. Thats my opinion after about 6 or 7 seasons use. |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 23 May 2024 at 7:26am
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I would say that you had a 1960-1961, unofficially a series II D17. I have been using Krone rotary rakes for 5 years when I help out a friend with his hay operation. They do an incredible job, leaving virtually no hay behind and making a nice fluffy windrow. All the reasons you gave are correct. They are not a cheap purchase but I know it will help us out even more. The 262 diesel has its own sound coming out the muffler just as the 301 in my XT has its own undeniable sound and I enjoy hearing both of them run. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: RP Farms
Date Posted: 23 May 2024 at 7:27am
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Nice video, waiting to do the same in Southern Illinois. |
Posted By: Ky.Allis
Date Posted: 23 May 2024 at 9:52am
| Friend I help with hay just bought a new Krone single rotor rake. 46T, it's the widest single rotor model. Just delivered, haven't used it yet. $17,000.00 Bought it mainly for alfalfa. |
Posted By: A&Sfarms
Date Posted: 23 May 2024 at 10:04am
| So you condition the hay twice? Once when mowing and then again the next day? We use a tedder and have good results with it getting the hay spread out and up off the ground. I would imagine the conditioner is fine for grass, but we do a lot of alfalfa and I would think you would lose a lot of leaves off the alfalfa through a conditioner. |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 23 May 2024 at 3:25pm
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I only do this with orchard grass and our mixed grass fields on 1st cutting. The manual for the conditioner says to run it shortly after cutting the hay. So the disc mower/conditioner goes first, I usually give my brother a 2 round head start and then I start running the conditioner. It is slower to run so he is always ahead of me. I can usually run my D17 in 2nd hi with sometimes pulling back to low range if it’s really thick. So yes it is getting crimped twice which breaks up the long stalk even further. We will run our Enorossi Tedder the next day usually twice about 4-5 hours apart if we have a short window of 3 days to get it up. I would not recommend this process with alfalfa as you said you would loose to much leaf. The Krone rake does an excellent job but they are super expensive. Even used ones fetch a hefty price. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: Ky.Allis
Date Posted: 23 May 2024 at 4:25pm
| So, how much hay do you make with this lengthy, drawn-out process? |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 23 May 2024 at 8:59pm
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We baled around 460 square bales. My buddy Gary uses the same process using a newer crimper. He ran 2 -NH 575 balers and a Bale Barron Tuesday and made 2900 square bales. His fields are extremely thick, he seeds his fields both ways and has an excellent fertilizer/spay program. Each baler spit out a bale every 8 seconds. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: Leon B MO
Date Posted: 23 May 2024 at 10:12pm
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I enjoy the pics and conversation but I do not miss the hay bales. I still see the long rows on the ground in my sleep, whether it be from a roto baler early on or square bales later on. Alfalfa for the dairy cows, brome, fescue, orchard mix for the cattle and lots of straw for bedding. A D-17 with S82 mid mount sickle mower and a New-Idea pull type conditioner. The conditioner took in what the sickle mower laid down the previous round. Then rake it with the WD45 and AC rake and the same D-17 got put on the roto baler. Thanks for sharing. Leon B MO ------------- Uncle always said "Fill the back of the shovel and the front will take care of itself". |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 24 May 2024 at 9:09pm
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I enjoy the entire process of hay production including loading the wagon. It’s hard work but seeing all your hard work turn into a beautiful bale of hay is rewarding personally and financially. I’ve ran my conditioner behind my D17/82S mower combo and it does a nice job. The cool factor of how it was done in the 60’s and 70’s before haybine’s. I like old school farming occasionally, actually with all our old equipment I guess we do it all the time lol. At least we finally upgraded to a disc mower. I will still run the D17/82S/conditioner combo occasionally just because I like to watch all 3 machines work in unison to get the job done. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 25 May 2024 at 9:30pm
 Went from the hayfield to our local Memorial Day parade. Thanks to all who served and especially those that gave all. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |