Pull type roll over plow ??
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Topic: Pull type roll over plow ??
Posted By: Macon Rounds
Subject: Pull type roll over plow ??
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2024 at 9:25am
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Did any mfg make a pull type roll over plow ? 3/16 bottom or 4/14 ? Common practice in our area is to plow the dirt up hill. "And Yes, most of our ground is hilly" And dead head back to the starting end of the field. Which increases fuel consumption and time. Even using a standard 3 bottom 3 point plow is difficult. The up and down swells in the field make it is hard to maintain plow depth..... That is why I enquire about pull type. Thanks in advance. ------------- The Allis "D" Series Tractors, Gravely Walk behind Tractors, Cowboy Action Shooting !!!!!!! And Checkmate |
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Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2024 at 9:34am
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My Wife's cousin has 2-bottom rollover pull type plow that he calls a Tumblebug; I think it was built by International. Supposedly that type was common in southern Idaho which is where their family farmed and brought this plow up north with them. I have never seen it in use though. |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2024 at 9:52am
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I have 2 two bottom snap coupler roll over plows. |
Posted By: Macon Rounds
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2024 at 11:39am
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I have a set of 2 bottom snap coupler roll overs but kinda run into adjustment issues on hill sides. I get one direction set but the other direction won't plow properly. They seem to work OK on FLAT ground.... ------------- The Allis "D" Series Tractors, Gravely Walk behind Tractors, Cowboy Action Shooting !!!!!!! And Checkmate |
Posted By: den/southern illinoi
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2024 at 3:05pm
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My opinion on not being able to get the plow set in both positions is that one set of shears is worn way more than the other. We had one with the same problem and that is what I decided. I figured someone just used it one way and wore down that set of shears, ------------- Own 4 wheel 20, 2-5015, 5020 and associated equipment and 2 electric forklifts. |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2024 at 5:59pm
| The veggy guys use to have them out here on the left coast. As the vast majority of tillage was with crawlers until the 1980's. I don't know of any sitting at this time. Besides 3000 mile might be a bit to far to come get one. |
Posted By: Macon Rounds
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2024 at 6:14pm
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I would really like to try a pull type roll over... If for no other reason that no one else has one !  ------------- The Allis "D" Series Tractors, Gravely Walk behind Tractors, Cowboy Action Shooting !!!!!!! And Checkmate |
Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2024 at 7:30pm
| thier are a few in my areabut i dont know anyone that wants to get rid of them |
Posted By: wade89
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2024 at 8:57pm
| Offset disk be the way to go? Neighbor couldn’t keep a 4 bottom in the ground (hilly) and ended up going that route. |
Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2024 at 9:45pm
| those disc plows only plow one direction still have to have a rolloverif you want to throw the whole field the same direction unless you want to drive to the other end each round |
Posted By: KJCHRIS
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2024 at 9:17pm
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I've never seen a roll-over pull plow. Have seen them in 3 pt and snap coupler hitches and once a J D pull type w/ 4 bottoms; 2 on left & 2 on right, that lifted 1 side then dropped the other side next time it was dropped in. I'd like to see a picture of the pull type roll-over plow. ------------- AC 200, CAH, AC185D bareback, AC 180D bareback, D17 III, WF. D17 Blackbar grill, NF. D15 SFW. Case 1175 CAH, Bobcat 543B, |
Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2024 at 9:47pm
| https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&q=tumblebug+plow#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:06a4b1f5,vid:uCHQslaR4co,st:0" rel="nofollow - https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&q=tumblebug+plow#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:06a4b1f5,vid:uCHQslaR4co,st:0 |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2024 at 4:29am
I think jd made a pull type 3 or 4 bottom, that changed by moving the hitch angle, sure had funny lookin moldboards and shares... ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2024 at 7:53am
Great video, even features "Red Bibs Bill"! A buddy of kine has one of those tumble plows.
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Les Kerf wrote:Posted By: Richardmo
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2024 at 7:57am
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I have the international 2 bottom at my place tumble type. |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2024 at 10:41am
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The best I could find,sorry there is not more. That is how they use to do it. Very common to see a Atlas plow sitting in equipment yards in the fresh vegetable growing areas. Did not know about the extra pictures. https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=mIMa5tid&id=E1836346096FA365024E8573D4C61ADA51491029&thid=OIP.mIMa5tidfpoxNnBtsHqgPAHaEK&mediaurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FfjRgVadBZTE%2Fmaxresdefault.jpg&cdnurl=https%3A%2F%2Fth.bing.com%2Fth%2Fid%2FR.98831ae6d89d7e9a3136706db07aa03c%3Frik%3DKRBJUdoaxtRzhQ%26pid%3DImgRaw%26r%3D0&exph=720&expw=1280&q=atlas+plow&simid=608004800976524301&form=IRPRST&ck=5B1289899B215822FA682F7AC8549AC5&selectedindex=1&itb=0&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0&vt=0&sim=11" rel="nofollow - atlas plow - Search Images (bing.com) |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2024 at 12:08pm
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I know where a 3 point hyd. roll over is with a hill side cylinder ------------- He who dies with the most toys is, nonetheless ,still dead. If all else fails ,Read all that is PRINTED. |
Posted By: KJCHRIS
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2024 at 6:11pm
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Les Kerf, thanks for posting the video. I hadn't thought about the bottoms tumbling forward & not having a tail wheel. ------------- AC 200, CAH, AC185D bareback, AC 180D bareback, D17 III, WF. D17 Blackbar grill, NF. D15 SFW. Case 1175 CAH, Bobcat 543B, |
Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2024 at 6:32pm
 It looks pretty violent to me, I wonder how durable they were? |
Posted By: captaindana
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2024 at 4:34am
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Holy Moley never saw anything as such! ------------- Blue Skies and Tail Winds Dana |
Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2024 at 7:43am
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Had to rewatch it a couple times, definitely very interesting to say the least. With that given design, I can’t imagine a 3 bottom, let alone a 4 bottom. ------------- I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2024 at 3:39pm
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Here's the jd 2 way, you can see how the whole plow switches, at about 3:45, in the video... https://youtu.be/CTfOhB6jG90?si=iTqM9Un9H1CLLEbX" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/CTfOhB6jG90?si=iTqM9Un9H1CLLEbX ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2024 at 6:08pm
It doesn't look like it would work very well in old sod.
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Posted By: Dennis J OPKs
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2024 at 6:41pm
| I don't believe it has any type of coulters on it so soil type & conditions would determine how well it works. Those European plowing competitions use 2-way ploughs but they are all mounted. |
Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2024 at 7:06pm
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My Wife's family farmed in the Boise valley during the 1940's-1960's; my understanding is that the Tumblebug plows were used primarily on flat, flood-irrigated row crop fields with the intent of eliminating any dead furrows. I suspect they would not be very effective on hilly land, and they fell out of favor with the development of more powerful 3-point hitches that could handle 3-bottom or even 4-bottom rollover plows. The Tumblebug plow in the video looks like it needed a lot of room at the headland to get turned around. They were purely ground-driven.
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Posted By: wjohn
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2024 at 11:07pm
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I have also always heard of them being more common in areas where irrigation was common. ------------- 1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45 |