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Topic: Gleaner rotary and head

Posted By: shieldslx
Subject: Gleaner rotary and head
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2010 at 12:36pm

I was wondering if anyone has any info on whether or not a Gleaner rotary(tranversely mounted) looses corn out the back when you get to the end of a row like an international does. Ive heard they (rotaries) all do. Also If anyone knows if they made any improvements in the head. We have had nothing but gleaner conventional combines and they were good on fuel and powerful, but then we got an international 1460 and it will eat corn at least twice as fast, because of the superior head, not to mention you can start it at any temperture, where as ive never seen an allis start below 60 degrees,(we run alot of them). But the International looses alot of corn at the end of a row and it EATS fuel. Any help would be appriciated.

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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2010 at 12:52pm

It is NOT because it's a "rotary" that corn may be lost when the machine empties out at the end of the field....it's generally because the machine is adjusted for maximum capacity and to get that capacity you run a lot of air/wind to the cleaning sieves. They must be kept full or when the load of corn goes away, it will blow some out. It's all in adjustments and if you just cut back on the throttle a bit when the cornhead just goes clean, you won't have any of that issue.

Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2010 at 2:03pm

My question would be how does an IH head have more capacity than a black Gleaner head? I haven't seen. I'm not so up on the New Holland head Case now runs but the 800, 900, and 1000 series IMO do not keep up with a Black Gleaner and especially a Hugger. What model Gleaner heads did you have and what model IH heads do you have? The Case dealer converted a few Gleaner men into red machines after all the Gleaner dealers nearby disappeared and more than one told me they liked the combine fine but the old Gleaner corn head was better at saving corn and faster.

When I worked parts at a CaseIH dealer we were once standing outside watch a farmer nearby harvest with an R62 and the salesman standing next to me said he'd never seen a combine go so fast in a corn field. Then he said he was over to the guys place earlier trying to pedal iron and walked out into the field and said there was virtually no corn left on the ground. This coming from a CaseIH salesman.

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Posted By: clint
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2010 at 2:07pm

Hi Mr. Shields,

I think i have your old M2

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Posted By: Mike NEIN
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2010 at 2:57pm

I agree with Lonn on the head situation 100%. Dad runs a 1460 and I run a 1680 and both run deere corn heads just because it would take to much cutting and welding to put our old gleaner heads on. The only time we run corn out the back is if you turn too fast on the ends.

Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2010 at 5:00pm

Any "A"-series corn head since 1980 model year has the "spirols" just behind the lower greasable brg and are waaaaaay better at hi-speed harvesting than a 1979 and older. The new "Hugger" series (1990??) are better yet.

Posted By: Amos
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2010 at 8:04pm

I have run a 630 black corn head on a R52 at 7.5 mph in 140bu/acre corn. Have not had a real problem with it other than it completely wore itself out after 7 to 8 years. Went to a 830 hugger and slowed down, way better on the operator and I feel it does a nicer job than the black head did. Seems to shell less, feeds better into the feeder house (maybe because it was built for the combine). As far as loosing corn out the back I would make sure where it is coming from first, the cylinder or the shoe. If it is the shoe I would try a little less air or maybe open the chaffer up a bit. If it is coming from the cylinder than you are not getting early enough separation and you will find this with different varieties/fields/moisture/days/etc. Changing the cylinder speed and clearance will affect this.

Posted By: Andrew(southernIL)
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2010 at 8:37pm

We got a 800 series on our 1440 and its nothing to brag about. Never really noticed losing corn at the end of the rows but never paid much attention to it. The combine is great in corn but a different story in beans cause it only has a standard rotor and not a specialty.

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