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Topic: 180 ?
Posted By: SteveMaskey(MO)
Subject: 180 ?
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2024 at 2:39pm

I would like to put 34 inch tires on my 180. I know the 6080 will work but are hard to find and high when you do. Is there any other tractor that has a 8 bolt pattern like AC ?




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Posted By: DanielW
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2024 at 3:24pm
See this thread and scroll down to my response for what I did on my 180. Something like this might be your best/cheapest option:  https://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/threads/wheel-swapping.1662003/" rel="nofollow - https://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/threads/wheel-swapping.1662003/

Alternatively, Lots of Masseys and some Fords used the same bolt pattern (6" pilot hole with 8 bolts on an 8" bolt circle). Probably more Massey/Ford rims out there than Allis. Be careful though: Some Fords used a 5.5" pilot hole.

I'm a big fan of changing from 28's to a more standard size. But are you sure you want to go as large as 34"? If so, you'd probably have to stick to 16.9's and not 18.4's, as 18.4-34 will be a huge height increase, look weird, and might present some fender fitting issues.

I'd recommend going to 18.4-30's. They're only a tiny bit smaller diameter than 16.9-34's, but a fair bit larger than the original 28's. They also have a much larger contact patch than the 16.9's, so you'll get  better floatation. In fact, going from the original Allis 18.4-28 to 16.9-34's will actually give you less ground contact/floatation. Plus, Allis made a 30" option for the 180, so you might even find original Allis power-shift rims (though they're hard to come by, which is why I did my conversion differently). The picture in the link above is my 180 with 18.4-30's on it.


Posted By: Leadoff
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2024 at 4:50pm
SteveMaskey(MO)

I encourage you to go with the 18.4-30 option.  Our 1975 185 arrived that way from the factory and that provided great traction, stability, and wear for many years.  It also seemed to be the most popular option for rear wheel sizing for the 185.




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1963 D17D Series III. 1965 D15 Series II. 1965 D17 Series IV. 1975 185. 1978 716H. 1979 716H. 1965 780 Harvester/1R&DC. 1957 Model 73 SC 4 Furrow Plow


Posted By: AllisFreak MN
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2024 at 5:52pm
That is a beautiful 185.

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'49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2


Posted By: Leon B MO
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2024 at 7:13pm
I'll 2nd that...

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Uncle always said "Fill the back of the shovel and the front will take care of itself".


Posted By: captaindana
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2024 at 7:28pm
I third that.

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Blue Skies and Tail Winds
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Posted By: CORLEWFARM
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2024 at 8:58pm
I have a 180 with original 38 in wheels. 15.5 38 works for better speed and I think better traction than our tractors with 18,4 30


Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2024 at 8:08am
Originally posted by CORLEWFARM CORLEWFARM wrote:

I have a 180 with original 38 in wheels. 15.5 38 works for better speed and I think better traction than our tractors with 18,4 30

CORLEFARM, I've never liked the 15.5x38 tire size, I'll keep the 18.4x30's on my 185. They are Titan's, which is NOT my favorite tire but they are tall.

15.5's have a low section height for whatever reason. If they were steer tires they would be 15.5Lx38.


Posted By: Leadoff
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2024 at 12:00pm
AllisFreak MN, Leon B MO, captaindana

Thanks. 

 My Father upgraded the original front tires, as did many AC tractor owners, from the factory 7.50-16 to 10.0-16 and reversed the rims.  I have tried to keep the tractor as original as possible. 

Hopefully, our comments helps SteveMaskey(MO) with his project


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1963 D17D Series III. 1965 D15 Series II. 1965 D17 Series IV. 1975 185. 1978 716H. 1979 716H. 1965 780 Harvester/1R&DC. 1957 Model 73 SC 4 Furrow Plow


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2024 at 12:33pm
From the Firestone tire footprint (square inches) chart: ....  15.5 x 38's are 180 sq in.........16.9 x 34's are 220 sq in..........18.4 x 28's are 250 sq in............18.4 x 30's are 260 sq in...........18.4 x 34's are 265 sq in.   I'm not saying diameter is a bad thing, because it isn't. But the footprint chart gives you an idea of how much rubber is actually on the ground.


Posted By: SteveMaskey(MO)
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2024 at 12:42pm

The 180 is a loader tractor, pulls a 6 row planter and a disc mower so no heavy loads. I want to speed it up a little and have seen pictures of some where the owner put 18.4x34 on and thought they looked good

Would like to thank everyone for the comments




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