Tire brands
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Topic: Tire brands
Posted By: DSeries4
Subject: Tire brands
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2023 at 4:39pm
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I am pricing new tires for the 8030. I have received quotes for a couple of brands I am not familiar with: Ceat from India and Armour from China. Has anyone used these tires? If so, would you recommend them? Many thanks!
------------- '49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '61 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080 |
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2023 at 4:48pm
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Most reviews of the Ceat tires are GOOD.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcOxkpKkoro" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcOxkpKkoro ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2023 at 6:19pm
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I've known two folks that installed Ceat tires on antique semi tractors. I have no experience with farm tractor tires but none of the sixteen tires purchased stayed on the trucks very long till replacement. Not too bad when loaded with an empty semi trailer, but unladen were unbearable to drive. These were bias ply 10.00X20 tire size. I know others that have ran Ceat radial truck tires and they were fine for short run operations like construction debris removal and grain hauling. Those are direct observations from me without second hand bluster. ------------- A career built on repairing and improving engineering design deficiencies, shortcomings, and failures over 50 years now. |
Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2023 at 6:22pm
| I went with Titan. I wouldn't buy an off-brand tire no matter what. |
Posted By: rick ky
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2023 at 7:05pm
| titan and firestone work for myself and my brother. if you have to go with one replacement tire to match another brand, it may not match and you would have to purchase 2 matching tires of the same brand. this has been my experience that firestone and titan match each other very well. some of the brands don't look proper on the rims even though they say the tires are proper size. you may pay a little more for the quality name brand, but they will last longer and wear better than the "will-fit" brands. |
Posted By: EPALLIS
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2023 at 8:25pm
| 11 years ago i went with Titan's on my D-17 Series II. Best price around at that time and no issues yet. Hope that helps. Good luck! |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2023 at 8:25pm
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Anything but Alliance. I’m partial to Firestone but bought a set of BKT and am happy ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: 1955CA
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2023 at 8:51pm
How come? I just put Alliance on mine so I guess I will find out. I figured they would be good seeing as how they are Yokohama, who also now owns Trelleborg and Mitas. I wanted Firestone but my tire dealer said if he gave me a price on them I would think he was ripping me off.
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victoryallis wrote:Posted By: rtwfarm
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2023 at 9:12pm
| Had some alliance only last 3 years on some show tractors. Side wall cracks. Inside all time when not at show. Good luck |
Posted By: 1955CA
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2023 at 9:18pm
Well we'll see how it goes I guess. I had the same issues with Titan's and Carlisle's that came on my new Kubota's. Carlisle was awesome in that they sent me new tires free of charge, but the new replacements cracked right away too. And mine are also kept inside when not working.
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Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2023 at 9:02am
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Sunday, I drug home another tractor. This time a Farmall 450, have wanted one for a very long time now. Tractor is NFE and all four tires are JUNK, may be original. In the short term the 6.50x16 four ribs that were on the D-15 will go on the front. New tubes this round! Not sure what it will get in the long run. It has Bad Year 15.5x38's on the back. They are on 13" rims. Tube is coming through the tread on the right! Haven't talked to the local tire guy yet but have looked at Firestone's website, they have some good options, 16.9x38 is No. 1 on my list. I have played the look for used ones game a lot. Don't have the patience for that this time. I can use the expense for tax purposes this year. Some other brand would have to be a SIGNIFICANT cost savings for me to go another direction. I worked at Titan tire for a short while in 2011, absolutely no love there! There is a lot of factors that go into these decisions. I'll be keeping this one and want it to wear the best rubber available.
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Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2023 at 9:14am
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I'm in the same predicament with wanting the same size also along with new rims. Probably opt for Firestone, but BKT is a strong contender at this time.
------------- A career built on repairing and improving engineering design deficiencies, shortcomings, and failures over 50 years now. |
Posted By: 1955CA
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2023 at 9:16am
| So for show tractors that sit outside in the sun all for the day at shows, do any of these tire protectants help any to keep them from cracking? Or is it all in the tire construction? |
Posted By: dfwallis
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2023 at 9:55am
I think under-inflating can contribute to cracking. I know they're usually only inflated to around 12 lbs.
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Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2023 at 1:28pm
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I have a pair of Titian tires that I got in trade. They are about the same age as (I hate to say it) a pair of Harvest King (Chinese) tires on another tractor. Surprisingly the Harvest King Tires are holding up very well and the Titian tires look worse than a set on another tractor that are nearly 50 years old. However I have no way of knowing the care of the Titian tires before I got them, although I've seen many other Titian tires that are new enough to be the Long bar/short bar tread that are badly cracked. ------------- If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. Real pullers don't have speed limits. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
Posted By: 560Dennis
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2023 at 2:44pm
| I recommend to stay with a quality tire manufacturer. |
Posted By: Northern Hoser
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2023 at 3:00pm
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Installed full set of Ceat tires on my 8030 two years ago happy with them, nice and smooth on the road. Put radials on the back and left them unloaded, happy with the traction. Seem a lot like a BKT. Only have maybe 150hrs on them though so can't speak to their longevity. Matt |
Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2023 at 9:31pm
Tires will not deteriorate for one day out in the sun at a tractor show. Leaving the tractor outside every day for 365 days a year will! ------------- '49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '61 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080 |
Posted By: 1955CA
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2023 at 9:49pm
I know, was just wondering if it is worth putting any of those protectants on them to keep help prolong them.
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Posted By: 55allis
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2023 at 7:55am
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Get Firestone… GoodYears saying is their tire is good for a year… Titan is made by Goodyear and so that’s why they crack out too. ------------- 1955 AC WD45 diesel with D262 repower, 1949 AC WD45 |
Posted By: 1955CA
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2023 at 8:39am
Other way around. Titan makes Good Years agricultural tires.
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Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2023 at 5:31am
Yep.
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Posted By: 1955CA
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2023 at 9:05am
I only knew that because I've had Titan and Good Year's replaced under warranty and it was Carlisle that contacted me and dealt with it.
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Posted By: 55allis
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2023 at 3:17pm
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So than it goes like this: Titan makes Good Year which makes Carlisle? ------------- 1955 AC WD45 diesel with D262 repower, 1949 AC WD45 |
Posted By: 1955CA
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2023 at 5:23pm
Carlisle was making all (or at least the parent company) of them at one time. It was them that I was dealing with. A woman from Carlisle was who I dealt with and she has sent me Carlisle and Titan tires a few years back. But now from something I read on google....something may have changed with the Carlisle/Titan deal?? You can't keep track of who owns who any more now, LOL
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2023 at 6:04pm
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Depends on what SIZE tires your talking about............. April 2000---- Carlisle Companies Inc. has purchased Titan International Inc.´s original-equipment consumer tire and wheel business, which includes the lawn and garden, all-terrain vehicle and light-duty trailer markets. The deal does not affect Titan´s aftermarket operations, and dealers should not be affected at all, said Titan President and CEO Maurice Taylor Jr. Titan´s consumer tire unit recorded sales last year of more than $175 million—with a majority derived from original equipment sales—while Carlisle Tire & Wheel had estimated sales of $250 million to $300 million. Carlisle put the sales of the portion of Titan´s business it is acquiring at more than $100 million. The April 17 announcement comes about seven months after a $600 million merger deal between the two companies, in which Carlisle would have wholly controlled Titan, fell through. Carlisle and Titan agreed to that acquisition on Aug. 4, but the 90-day letter of intent was never renewed, and talks between the two firms dried up by early autumn. But this transaction, valued at about $95 million, is a "done deal" and a good business decision for both companies, Mr. Taylor said. "Titan and Carlisle have been in talks for quite some time regarding the benefits of combining the small wheel and tire business," Mr. Taylor said. "We finally arrived at a win-win agreement allowing both companies to increase future stockholder value." In the cash-for-assets transaction, Carlisle has purchased Titan´s Clinton, Tenn., tire plant and Slinger, Wis., wheel factory, and is leasing Titan´s Greenwood, S.C., wheel facility. Clinton—along with Titan´s Brownsville, Texas, plant—is the company´s main producer of ATV and lawn and garden tires, while the Greenwood facility is the largest wheel producer for those markets. For Syracuse-based Carlisle, already a market leader in small-to-medium bias-ply off-highway tires and steel wheels, the purchase gives it needed manufacturing capacity, improved wheel-painting technology and expansion into larger tire sizes, the company said. "This acquisition enhances our ability to serve our customers with the broadest range of products available in our key market segments and expands our market leadership," said Barry Littrell, president of the company´s Carlisle Tire & Wheel subsidiary, which will encompass the former Titan businesses. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: 1955CA
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2023 at 10:14pm
| I can't guarantee this, but I also read somewhere that Titan manufactures all the rims for Kubota? |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2023 at 8:34pm
Cracked real bad between the lugs in the first 18 months. They look worse than the 35 - 40 year old Firestone’s my D17 have. All tractors are shed kept. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2023 at 6:59am
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Talked to my tire-guy this week about the 16.9x38's I want for the new to me 450. Titans could be had for $300 a piece less than Firestone. Not putting long-bar short-bar's on her! BKT were $350 a piece less. Went with the Stones. I bet the old girl will hook-up when I'm out plowing with her! They were supposed to be here yesterday, when I called, one had made the trip from Des Moines to Monroe. Hopefully the other gets there this morning. Too wet to combine, I want to mount these things!! |
Posted By: Kevin210
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2023 at 10:42am
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I put Trelleborg tires on my 210. They aren't cheap by no means and I'm not using them out in the field any just for pulling on the track. So far I like them but they do take a lot of air pressure. I also have a set that I put on first but I got them to short and got another set and still have the first set but they're probably to short for your 8030. |
Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2023 at 8:28pm
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I ended up going with Galaxy Earth Pros front and back. I have them on a couple of my WD45s and have held up pretty well (even though they do not get a lot of use). They priced out pretty well too. My tractors stay inside all the time, so they should last. ------------- '49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '61 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080 |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2023 at 9:32pm
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well, they seem to have a pretty good REVIEW on several sites, and a LOT of places sell that brand.. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2023 at 5:39am
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Here's a few pics of the process yesterday.       |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2023 at 8:36am
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Mike, what do you use as a bead breaker since the tire is setting upright ? ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2023 at 10:02am
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Steve, you made me have to go out to the shop to take some pictures. That's ok, it's a good question and deserves an answer. This, (don't know what they call them) is the bead breaker. Got it on Amazon. When I changed tires on the 'H' this summer I could not get the beads broke for love nor money! They were glued. Not sure how they even got them to seat, 15.5's on 16" rims, suspect either. Anyway, research led me to this style and it works like a charm!   |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2023 at 2:29pm
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Nice looking tire Mike. I’m late to the party but my XT has BKT’s on it and I have been very happy with them. Firestone’s are nice tires and I’m sure you will be happy with them. My tire guy prices a new tube and free mounting when I purchase tires. I don’t wanna have anything to do with mounting other than mounting the rim on the tractor when the tire is in place lol. If I’m replacing tires I have him remove the old ones so I can take the rims home to give them a fresh coat of paint. Take them back in a few days and have him mount the tires. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2023 at 5:41am
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There's kind of a trade off there. Thought about having the tire shop mount them, definitely less work except now you have to get the tire and at least rim off the tractor. Load them on the trailer and haul both directions and wait for them to do the job. Some-days that doesn't take long, others you wait quite awhile. Mounting the new ones wasn't bad at all. Getting the old ones off was the hard part and getting the tubes out was the worst part by far! I don't know, it's done and over with and didn't kill me. My prediction, I will do something like this again in the future. Not sure how much bigger I could tackle without at least having someone around to help?
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