My 180D
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Topic: My 180D
Posted By: DMiller
Subject: My 180D
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2023 at 9:58am
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Did not wish to take up space on the Equipment page as this is a question as to what I consider a reality shock. My 180D was built in 1974, is close to 50 years young and I have depended upon it for quite a bit of heavier work. 74HP it delivers better work than many 100hp units today can while consuming LESS Fuel, HOWEVER, repairs are getting evil. Old gal is Tired, I should repack EVERY cylinder on it, likely have all the cylinder barrels honed to get a better seal as ALL leak steer, three point, loader. Engine needs a Freshening, essentially a Rebuild as am seeing considerable blowby, starting getting harder by year, due for a clutch, should probably clutch pack the torque tube power director, and a lot of component slop I attempt to remediate seems to return with a vengeance. I am considering buying a Newer USED tractor of sufficient HP to replace the machine, do not see any value of trading it in where could then proceed to rebuild more as a Collector piece not to be utilized as a production machine but costs really leave that questionable. Really causing me headaches trying to get anywhere with this. |
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Posted By: Clay
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2023 at 11:34am
| If it does not pop out of gear, it would be worth rebuilding. |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2023 at 11:49am
| Sometimes a used replacement tractor come with their own problems. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2023 at 12:18pm
Very true, yet newer would allow for better components availability as AC parts are thinning as we speak. Can keep the machine fora spare, or a as can use just not rely so heavily.
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WF owner wrote:Posted By: caledonian
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2023 at 10:27pm
| Keep it |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2023 at 4:32am
| Believe I will |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2023 at 7:23am
| I see more farmers in our area putting a lot of money into some of these old tractors. I recently asked a neighbor (that milks about 400 cows) why he would spend so much on old tractors. His answer was that keeping these old tractors doing all they can, saves on his big tractors (280 and 325 hp.). He recently had a $40,000 repair on one of the big tractors. He recently went completely through a 190XT (engine, transmission, hydraulics, tires and paint). He said he plans to do the same with a 70 series (I believe it's a 7030) next year. He said these old tractors will still do a lot of work and do it a lot cheaper than a new 100 hp. tractor. |
Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2023 at 10:38am
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Newer tractors are not without their problems - especially with computers, excessive wiring, sensors and DEF. You cannot go wrong with these older tractors. I bought my worn out 1967 190XT series1 for $5000. The only thing good about it was the sheet metal. Jumped out of gear, engine needed ether and only made 77 hp on the dyno. Rebuilt or replaced almost everything: complete engine rebuild, transmission and rear end rebuilt, rebuilt injector pump and injectors new brakes, clutch, turbo, wiring harness, gauges, tires. The only thing that did not need work was the hydraulic pump. It took several years, but I got it all finished in 2018. For all intents and purposes, it is a brand new tractor. I spent a little over $20,000 on it. I put it on the dyno after that and it made over 114 hp at the PTO. So for $25,000 I have a new 114 HP tractor. Where else are you going to find a brand new tractor for that price? No problems finding parts either. Good used parts are still out there
and parts with slop were fixed up by my local fab shop - they got a lot
of business from me (and still do).
------------- '49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '61 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080 |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2023 at 11:05am
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Some days wish my own had been a 190, my 180 should have new shoes on rear but least expensive were $712 EACH no tube. 18.4x28. Other option also not located was five rail spinout centers for 180/185, Unobtanium unless buy another tractor, Whole. Trans stays in any gear, PTO is the bugger jumping out right now. As noted engine, some electrical some well needed body work. Entire seat and riser are pitiful. ALL 7 hydraulic cylinders leak, control valve started last fall. Know brakes decent, had those repairs done some eight years back. Aftermarket tie rod ends or the kingpin arm bores are wearing as continually loosen up. Power director could use clutches, control valve resealed. Afraid cylinder head will be a problem once off. Under a hard load coolant pressure lifts cap blowoff in pulses. Lift arms wobble a lot, will be considerable work on those and Rock Shaft. |
Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2023 at 11:51am
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Not all should be saved but their parts can live on through others. ------------- That's All Folks! |
Posted By: orangeman
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2023 at 12:20pm
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Morning D. Miller- Hope all is well your way! Regarding your 180, I'd fall in with D Series assessment. I think the 180 you have can be very helpful to you as a long term decision tool and its possible remaining life - in this way. The 180 as worn as it is is telling you where the long term wear areas are on the machine. If it were me, and there was not an immediate need for the tractor as a daily runner, I would look at a used machine and pay particular attention to the major wear area's and select one that doesn't exhibit those wear areas. It would seem that the used part sources would be suitable to put the machine back into good condition. Engine parts are still available and could the PTO be rebuilt so as not to jump out? HTH's ~ Respectfully Orangeman
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Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2023 at 7:51pm
| I bought a 180D in about 1982-3, used. that has been the best tractor on the farm since. all it needs right now is a new voltage regulator, which I bought for it and for the life of me I can't find where I put it! I did buy another 180, but it's a gasser with a loader, thought it will start easier in winter for use. it looks nice, someone took very good care of it. runs good too, appears to have always been kept inside. it sits outside now, seems everything I put in the metal sheds...the mice goes right to all the wiring! I hate anything having to sit outside. maybe i'll take a chance later on. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2023 at 1:24pm
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A update since my mouth is so involved. The 180 is inside my shop, been aligning to where need to go to get on that once weather turns to crap. Been looking around for pieces, many are still available new and will begin with halving that then dropping the torque tube off, PTO parts have to be inspected and figure how to keep this from recurrence. Then will strip engine off front frame, Once out and stripped will car wash the block and head, get them to machine shop with flywheel, Cam Bearings, cracks inspections, find out if head is even any good. After which I will order the Overhaul parts and take the nozzles to Capital Diesel near here for reman. Really want to replace all the head and rod bolts, uncertain if those are attainable any more, but will check into at that time. Main reason is I was looking at Used machines, what a mass pile of crap there is out there any more. Open a Hood and about all that is functionally accessible is a Dipstick or oil fill tube, some of those NOT EVEN. Wiring systems are BUNDLES of Massive connection, just not pleasant to realize all the crap that is in tractors these days and NOT Just for Tractor Functions. Really Sad to see how the industry is so intent of destroying Self Capable Repairs on these machines. I will keep my Simple and AFFORDABLE while REPAIRABLE by Me Tractor.
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Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2023 at 3:21pm
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Most of the farms in our area are dairy. A few have moved to beef. Not much crop farms except to grow feed for dairy. Even the big farms around me (2000 cows and over) seem to keep a few of the old tractors. They all have 200+ hp. "new tractors", but I see more and more older tractors on mergers, manure pumps, round or big square balers, etc. I'm assuming for the same reasons you just mentioned. Somewhere (maybe on here?) someone told a story about a guy that had a new articulated New Holland. When he was discing he tried to lift the harrows and they wouldn't come up. He stopped, then the tractor wouldn't move. He ended up using an old (mechanical) much smaller articulated tractor to finish. It took the NH dealer a few trips to find the computer problem.
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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2023 at 4:08pm
| Been hearing so many horror stories on new or newer stuff, may just stay well away from that. |