TO-4 Specification
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Topic: TO-4 Specification
Posted By: Codger
Subject: TO-4 Specification
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2023 at 7:31am
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Cousin sells oil and has both SAE30, and SAE 50 transmission oils. Says I can have a barrel of either if I can use it in my 11B dozer. Both are new and untapped barrels. Which would be better for year round occasional use? ------------- A career built on repairing and improving engineering design deficiencies, shortcomings, and failures over 50 years now. |
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Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2023 at 4:16pm
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SAE 50 would be more like a 90W / 120W transmission oil and could be transmission and final drive oils . the SAE 30 would probably be closer to 70 or 80 weight and more of a tractor oil for hydraulic and gear cases . ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2023 at 5:06pm
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I've ran this oil for years in Roadranger transmissions without problem in the SAE 50 grade. Never had a power shift before this dozer so no history other than Deere to draw from. They use both grades a lot in drives, but this is much newer equipment.
------------- A career built on repairing and improving engineering design deficiencies, shortcomings, and failures over 50 years now. |
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2023 at 8:39pm
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One thing on oil is what they call Saybolt Universal Seconds ( a system to grade flow rate of oil at a given temp over a measured time ) - I used a Mobile DTE grade oil at Extra Heavy weight in my HD5G transmission and ring and pinon section of drive It was rated at 1200 SSU and in SAE was 50 weight . Yes it would be same a Duller said to use in Road Ranger . Find out the Mfg Name of the oil and look up on their site the recommended use or application - this is how i found what Mobile DTE X Heavy was the same as in final use . https://measurement.en-academic.com/2428/Saybolt_Universal_second" rel="nofollow"> Saybolt Universal second - Dictionary of units of measurementAcademic Dictionaries and Encyclopedias https://measurement.en-academic.com › Saybolt_Univ... Saybolt Universal Second — (Often SUS or SSU) is a measure of kinematic viscosity used in classical mechanics. It is the time that 60 cm3 of oil takes to flow ... ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2023 at 9:21pm
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IIRC it is Royal Lubricants out of Tulsa, OK. I'll do a search and edit with findings.
------------- A career built on repairing and improving engineering design deficiencies, shortcomings, and failures over 50 years now. |
Posted By: HD6 Merv
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2023 at 11:39pm
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The TDT0 50 is perfect for final drive gears in Cats and Allis s. The TDT0 30 is perfect for Cat powershift trans, and probably ok for Allis PS trans; although i know AC book says 10W. I run the TDTO 30 in wet backends of my HD6E s. Probably biggest diciding factor is your abient temperatures. 30 is ok for 'me' because I never see colder than 0 c or you guys 32f. ------------- tits tyres and tracks they all cost you money |
Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2023 at 6:10am
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I think you have a secret admirer there Coke. Almost word for word rendition of your earlier reply. ------------- A career built on repairing and improving engineering design deficiencies, shortcomings, and failures over 50 years now. |
Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2023 at 6:21am
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I did stage a barrel of the SAE 50 to bring home with me. I was in the car during harvest so no way to bring it back at the time. The hopper bottom trailer I pull during harvest busted a couple of main leaves in the spring pack(s) of the front axle, so going to replace them complete, and service the tractor bringing both back to my shop. ------------- A career built on repairing and improving engineering design deficiencies, shortcomings, and failures over 50 years now. |
Posted By: Ian Beale
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2023 at 3:36pm
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Codger Notice the location of the "admirer"
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Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2023 at 7:01am
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Isn't that "nuts" Ian? Internet trolls all over the place it seems. ------------- A career built on repairing and improving engineering design deficiencies, shortcomings, and failures over 50 years now. |