190xt series iii
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Topic: 190xt series iii
Posted By: Mattman
Subject: 190xt series iii
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2023 at 6:24pm
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uploads/8502/190xt.jpg" rel="nofollow - uploads/8502/190xt.jpg I am looking to buy a 190xt series 3 but I don't know the serial number. It has the rounded fenders, not like a 200. I am wondering if anyone could tell me when they started making the series 3. It has a turbo. I am guessing this is a 68-69. Am I correct?
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2023 at 6:52pm
| Series 3 190 XT starts at 23001 serial number and up. There were a couple hundred of them built in December of 1968, but basically say 1969 model and newer. A real series 3 has fenders like a 200. Could also be a legit series 3 but someone has installed the older fenders. Who knows after 50 years. |
Posted By: Mattman
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2023 at 7:02pm
| Its almost easier to presume that the stickers were what was added. I am having the guy send me serial tomorrow. I don't want to make the drive though for a non series 3. Thanks for the help. |
Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2023 at 7:09pm
| That's the one I bid on at another consignment. Sorry, I did not get the serial number. A man I bought a 7045 from told me it was headed for another auction site |
Posted By: Mattman
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2023 at 7:28pm
| Really! What do you know about it? Original paint? Crazy! |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2023 at 7:29pm
| The hood and side panels are correct for s/n 19001 and up. The fenders are for s/n 19001 and lower. I'd guess the tractor is s/n 19001 and newer, still might not be 23001 which is a series 3. Fenders may have been a cab removed and correct fenders not used. Correct grille for s/n 19001 and up has no horizontal bars, just screen. |
Posted By: Mattman
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2023 at 7:58pm
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I have been finding other series 3s with the older fenders. They all had year around cabs. I wonder if they installed older fenders to get rid of all the Year Around cabs in stock??
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Posted By: Mattman
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2023 at 8:02pm
| Actually, They are not the same. Ok Dr. Allis. Looks like your right. Again.... Ha |
Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2023 at 8:17pm
They told us it was drove in. It started quickly and sounded good but they did not let it run long. PTO shift lever on the floor left side of seat. Not sure if that is significant because I don't know enough about that model. |
Mattman wrote:Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2023 at 8:39pm
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Appears to have the larger axles which would make it at least a series II. A measuring tape would confirm it as they are 3 1/4” if I remember correctly. I can measure mine to be sure. I’m with Dr Allis, may have had a cab and they slapped series I fenders on it. Serial number would tell the story. Nice looking tractor regardless. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: Mattman
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2023 at 8:43pm
| It has no horizontal bars on grill but has the older style white tach. |
Posted By: Ky.Allis
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2023 at 11:44pm
| Your 2nd picture of a 190xt ser. 3 with year-a-round cab actually has no fenders. What looks like fenders is provided by year-a-round and simply attach to the cab. |
Posted By: Mattman
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2023 at 7:41am
| The part that I really don't like is that it has a white tach. From what I can gather, That means it's a pre 20599 tach. That puts the hours and authenticity into question. |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2023 at 1:42pm
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I’m assuming your after a series III for the 4 pinion rear end? They may have been installed in late 68 near the end of production in series II tractors. That has been discussed here before. Mine is a 20346, near end of the series II production. I haven’t pulled the pto shaft to verify as Dr Allis suggested a few years ago. All diesel XT’s have a turbo so you can’t go by that. Nothing wrong with a series II if it ends up being that. Best all around tractor Allis built in the 60’s IMO. It does everything well for me. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2023 at 4:19pm
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the differential change was a 23001 and I thought the hyd pump changed - but was wrong - there were a few III's with the old style pump - but I haven't seen any. My guess is a 1977 ish. ------------- When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money.. |
Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2023 at 5:47pm
| Did they get you the serial #? My accountant reminded me they could not get to the serial number because the add on step is in the way |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2023 at 5:59pm
| After this many years - if its got the 3-1/4 axles, runs good , will kill the engine with the Power Director in high and main transmission in 4 th with the brakes , go for it,, |