I picked up a transmission today....
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Topic: I picked up a transmission today....
Posted By: GlenninPA
Subject: I picked up a transmission today....
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2010 at 9:15pm
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Well, I guess I got a front end and a clutch pedal too....
Now I just need the block to go with it (and hand brakes, and ..... lots of other stuff....)
  I really didn't want to take it, but after driving 6 hours, I needed something to show for it.... Guess I have another "project"....
Anybody got a real dead, real early, donor B ? Can trade an uncracked 1940 block.... (that is about all that is usable other than the F/E, tranny and clutch pedal... :<( )
Also, a big thanks to DaveinMA for letting it "rest" at his place for a couple days before heading west.
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Posted By: morton(pa)
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2010 at 9:19pm
| Glenn, I've got a 1940 B I'll sell you. Has hydraulics, hand breaks, cleaned carb, rebuilt mag, and a few other things. Hasn't been run in a few years. Let me know if your interested. |
Posted By: Alberta Phil
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2010 at 9:20pm
| We all got together and made a 'B' for the "Build a B" project. Maybe some of us have some bits laying around that you could use to complete that poor old thing!! |
Posted By: Alberta Phil
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2010 at 9:21pm
| Fred might even throw something in!! |
Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2010 at 9:23pm
| If you have a B block with the -9 suffix, I'm all ears! Also the rims and clamps for a B between 101 and 501?? Anybody? |
Posted By: Chalmersbob
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2010 at 9:37pm
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weren't those the rims and clamps that were used on the Build-a-B. make a trade
Bob
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Posted By: Dave(inMA)
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2010 at 9:42pm
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Glenn and I had a nice visit when he arrived here this afternoon. The corpse-and-trailer are parked behind the barn until he returns Thursday. You guys with early B parts need to help him bring this one back to life. LOL ------------- WC, CA, D14, WD45 |
Posted By: RyanTN
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2010 at 10:12pm
| Very cool Glenn! That's quite a project ahead of you. I must admit, if I had found that low of a serial number, I would have taken it on too! |
Posted By: morton(pa)
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2010 at 10:16pm
| Glenn, what is the number on the current block? I'm assuming that it sounds like your looking for a replacement? |
Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2010 at 10:19pm
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tyler,
it's a -12 block, with generator bosses cast and tapped. Have not got the actual engine serial number, but it sure don't match up to Tractor No. B119.
Glenn
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Posted By: MNLonnie
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2010 at 10:21pm
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Great find Glenn, gotta love the low serial #'s. ------------- Waukesha B, B, IB, G, styled WF, D15, 615 backhoe, 2-Oliver OC3's, 4 Ford Model T's, 3 Model A Fords, AV8 Coupe, AV8 Roadster, 1933 Ford Wrecker |
Posted By: Bob D. (La)
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2010 at 5:01am
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Glenn, I guess in this case instead of needing a "roundtuit" to get this one going you need the "partsroundtuit". LOL I could fabricate and send you a roundtuit, but don't think I have any parts for an early B. Wish you luck and God Bless. ------------- When you find yourself in a hole,PUT DOWN THE SHOVEL!!! |
Posted By: R Aiken
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2010 at 5:13am
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Glenn.
No 38's but I have 2 extra 39 blocks . Also have the 38 wheel clamps and one rusty rim to copy to make replacement rims. Richard.
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Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2010 at 5:38am
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Yer' a glutton for punishment buddy! LOL! It must be that Orange Fever with us B guys. I don't know how to es-plain it. Good find on a low serial though... Did you git' the other one fired up? Steve@B&B |
Posted By: ChuckLuedtkeSEWI
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2010 at 6:12am
| Glenn, I know of a 38 B here in Wisconsin for sale for 1500. I will forward you the email. The guy put a ton of money into having the sheetmetal all fixed up and it shows as the sheetmetal looks flawless. I don't know the serial number on it though. |
Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2010 at 6:12am
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Steve,
I had left you a message on your phone.... I guess it didn't record the sweet sound of that 125 purring....
After I tore the carb apart and shot cleaner thru it both ways in all the jets, it lit right up. Good oil pressure, no knocks, the throttle took it up and down smoothly. That was the good news out of the whole thing.
Richard - I'll be in touch.....
PS I got several 38 blocks, just none that are that early.... Mine are all -10
Glenn
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Posted By: DREAM
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2010 at 9:31am
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Glenn, looks like the buzzards picked her pretty clean before you could get there. LOL!
Nice low serial number B to start with though. If you could find a low number 38 engine, that would be a start, but how far do you go when you basically have a tranny, finals, and a torque tube to work with? Sorry to say it won't pass muster with the correct police, but if you're like me, you don't care about that anyway. If I had the time and available resourses that you do, i'd probably go for it. ------------- I didn't do it! It was a short, fat, tall, skinny guy that looked like me! |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2010 at 9:44am
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So with everybody looking for parts, I would like to find an early block
for my B #254. It has a 39 block in it now. The back wheels evidently
aren't correct either but Oh Well. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: tomdavison
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2010 at 10:35am
| Glenn: Contrattulations on your find. I have the following that youcan have if you have any use fot them. Set of cylinder liners 3.25 These are in good shape.Set of front wheels and tires from a 39B. I believe they are the original tires. Rims rusted but may be able to be cleaned up enough for a show tractor. Plow depth control lever for a 39B. I think that I have a set of rockshaft brackets. You can have any or all of theese if ykou are interested. I will never use tham. |
Posted By: Bill Long
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2010 at 3:36pm
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Glenn, First let me congratulate you on your determination to bring another B back to life. I wish I could give you something that would help cause you know I love to see that B reserected(?). Let us know how it goes.
You have my sincere thanks, appreciation, and blessings on this project.
Good Luck!!! Yre going to need it.
Bill Long
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Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2010 at 4:42pm
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Dream,
The torque tube and final drive castings are junk..... Like I said, I bought a transmission.... LOL
Glenn
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Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2010 at 5:35pm
| THIS IS GOT TO STOP!!!!!!!!!! LMAO |
Posted By: AC Tundra
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2010 at 6:50pm
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How can you not cheer for this guy! Good Luck! ------------- What do you mean another tractor, honey? That tractor has been here for years. |
Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2010 at 8:35pm
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Well, I got it home about 7:30 tonight.
It doesn't look any better here than it did at Dave's.... LOL
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Posted By: morton(pa)
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2010 at 8:56pm
| Glenn, thats ok. I bet it will look better at my place! Let me know when you want me to pick it up! LOL |
Posted By: Dave(inMA)
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2010 at 9:05pm
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Had another chance to chat with Glenn as he was leaving my place - it was a treat to meet him in person and to talk about so many folks who are on here (and most of whom he has met) - really fun. Glenn, you're welcome back any time - next time bring Debbie! ------------- WC, CA, D14, WD45 |
Posted By: DREAM
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2010 at 9:12pm
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Sooo, what's wrong with the toque tube? I'm assuming it might be the bosses for the steering box broken off? What about the finals? They'll be fine! Little sandblasting, little welding. Good as new!LOL! Seriously, if they are still original, there are plenty of guys out there that can repair cast iron. Rods and processes for cast welding have come a long way. Main thing is keeping it at a consistent temperature, not cooling it too fast, and relieving any stress that builds up in the metal. Come on Glenn, you got us all pulling for you now(actually, we just want to see how far you'll go.LOL!). You can do it!!! ------------- I didn't do it! It was a short, fat, tall, skinny guy that looked like me! |
Posted By: morton(pa)
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2010 at 9:14pm
| After being on this forum for a number of years now I'm positive I can answer the question "how far will Glenn go?" lol. The answer is pretty darn far!!!!!!!! |
Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2010 at 7:05am
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The torque tube had the steering box snapped off. The cast housing of the Gemmer box bent, but the torque tube relieved the stress by breaking out of the bolt holes. Same deal on the one final, the whole rear section has gone missing. There is a reason the drawbar is turned forward, it's because there is nothing left to bolt it to going the other way..... I'm pretty sure I have those castings with the same pattern numbers though. I think this one is going to sit until I line up a few more parts though... Some of the stuff offered up so far is just not within reach of a short term road trip. |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2010 at 8:13am
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So Glenn, if you want the drawbar facing back, all you need to do is remove it, swap the finals from side to side and bolt the drawbar back on. Simple fix, right? LOL ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Butch(OH)
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2010 at 8:35am
| Shifter boot looks bad too, that would put me over the edge on that one and part it out, LOL |
Posted By: Bob-Maine
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2010 at 8:40am
| Glenn and Dave, Just out of curiosity, where was this jewel found? I think Glenn deserves all the compliments for this undertaking and I add mine. And I thought I had a passion for orange iron had been badly abused. Bob@allisdowneast |
Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2010 at 10:42am
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Bob,
It was in the woods in southeast New Hampshire.
It originally came from Massachusetts.
I found out about it years ago in one of my many conversations about pintle hitches. At the time the owner told me about it, he did not want to sell. It was represented to be a matching block and transmission, and complete with all the unique parts for a super early B. I never got pictures, I just took it on faith. Last year, I got word it would be sold and I was first on the list.
Imagine, lucky me, I guess that made me the "winner".... LOL
Anyway, my trip to the New England area was all paid for, so it cost me nothing to drag the trailer along. I hesitated at bringing it back, after I saw what it really was. But, in the end, the price came down to the absolute maximum I would have paid for a transmission with a real low number and a '38 front end with the original wedge bolts.
Yep, I guess that makes me the winner....
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Posted By: Brad MI
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2010 at 11:24am
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Glen, with a little time I may be able to round up most of what you need. I have an early 38 block somewhere out back, wheel clamps are easy, torque tube and finals are easy. I have a real nice set of rear rims; all restored in fact, but they are for my B450 project- sorry. I spent a few years rounding up those rims so that may be your toughest find. If I'm not mistaken Ray O'Neil still has one of those rims. Ray is where I got one of mine. I know where there is another sitting on a shelf. I gave it to the guy several years ago but he's not interested in parting with it now. The good news is you can complete the restoration and run it with newer rears until you can come up with the correct ones then switch them out. |
Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2010 at 11:42am
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Brad,
I saw some nice rims already that are very close by, but I have to talk to the guy they are promised to. I'm looking for a good block with the -9 suffix. I have a good -10 one already, and Gary said I could have his -9 that was cracked, so worst case, I have one that I could get repaired.
I guess I am going to have to get some handbrake levers made up, unless you know where there is an extra set of ones threaded at the top for the plastic knobs...
I pretty much have everything else I need around, I just need to go "state hopping" to pick stuff from some of my stashed parts tractors.
Send me a PM if you do have a good -9 block, or the handbrakes..
Thanks,
Glenn
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Posted By: Brad MI
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2010 at 11:50am
| Great news on the rear rims. I have a few sets of handbrakes but not sure if I have usable duplicates of the plastic knob type. I'm also not sure if the plastic knob handles were threaded of friction? Memory says friction, but in either case making them from the later type should be easy. I'll look for a block. |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2010 at 12:04pm
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Odds are high that AC used stock knobs from a knob maker and that those knobs are still being made. Look at McMaster-Carr for them. Gerald J. |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2010 at 12:50pm
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Glenn, If you need some brake levers turned, could you use a later brake lever and thread it or turn for a press fit? If so, I could machine some for you. Any ideas how long these were used? Were they used on the 37's? Charlie ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |