210 serial number question
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Topic: 210 serial number question
Posted By: 67-d10
Subject: 210 serial number question
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2023 at 7:56pm
Got a 210 we are working on, the serial number was 2096, but once we got the cab off, we could see the whole serial number and it’s 220 2096. So I’m thinking we have a tractor that’s two married together?
Are there other locations that the serial number could be stamped on to try to figure out age?
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2023 at 9:29pm
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The only serious difference between a 210 and 220 is the hood and grille and front support casting under the radiator. All 220's have a broad heavy cast iron grille shell with a removable screen and a wide very tapered hood to match. All 210's have a narrower hood at the front with a 190XT modified grille shell assembly. What is the complete injection pump serial number?? DCGFC631XXXX. What follows the 631 tells if it is a 210 pump or 220 pump. 5GR is a 220 pump. 16GR is a 210 pump.
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Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2023 at 9:00am
210 rad cap on left side, 220 is centered, another easy tell tale sign.
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210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2023 at 9:02am
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Be interesting to see what the response is.
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Posted By: 67-d10
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2023 at 3:51pm
So I think I worded my question wrong. I wasn’t wondering if I have a 210, that’s what it is.
More I was wondering how to put an age on my 210. It appears at least a portion of the power train housing has been replaced.
So the main question was, is there a second place on the tractor that has the tractor serial number in it?
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Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2023 at 3:54pm
No there isn't. Either way 220's were built from 69 to 72, and 210's were built from 70-72. There's some date codes on the cast 3 point arms, oil cooler, and a few other areas. The engine has a serial number and catalog number tag, post that and we can tell if it's a 210 or 220 block as well. Pump tag also like Dr said.
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210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2023 at 6:13pm
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If the bell housing has been replaced, it came from an already existing 220 tractor. Chassis s/n's were stamped into the bell housing upon the completion of the build, I would assume. A replacement bell housing out of parts wouldn't have a serial number even stamped into it. 220-2096 is an early/mid year 1970 model. 210-2096 is a very early 1972 model. I have no idea what you've got.
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Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2023 at 7:10pm
Did this have a LaPorte cab? The top link bosses have an extra rib cast into it between the holes? Radiator surround steel piece is bolted down with 3 bolts, my 210 SN1893 has 1/2" bolts. I had another 210 that was SN2047 and it had 3 larger 5/8" bolts, a late 71. These are just a few small differences I've noticed being around them, but didn't have the beefed up top link boss.
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210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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Posted By: 67-d10
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2023 at 7:53pm
The cab we took off was a cozy cab, and it has no 3 point, only the pto.
However, the oil cooler has a date code of 6/71.
This at least give me an idea of where it lands. I will have to check out the bolts.
Thanks for the insight!
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2023 at 8:42pm
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Check the injection pump number !!!! This could be a matter of just the wrong number was stamped.... a "2" instead of a "1".
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Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2023 at 8:51pm
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Maybe a Friday tractor....
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Posted By: 67-d10
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2023 at 9:27pm
Pump is 631-16GR
Block is 4028785 and 3D -15006
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2023 at 9:32pm
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210 pump. Oil cooler date that could jive with a 1972 build. Looks like a mis-stamped model serial number to me.
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Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2023 at 7:38am
The top link boss is still there, it's part of the pto, see if it has the thicker right side with the rib between the two holes. May be a date stamped in the pto casting too. Pretty sure the 4028785 is the 210 engine assy. Just went back to the post with engine to 220 serial numbers, and my original block says 3D15855 for my 210 1893. Either you have a 210 front on a 220 rear, or just the clutch housing was swapped. Guessing the former though, many times people just roll the two halves apart, and reassemble to different halves. Know where it came from? Salvage yards are known for piecing together enough parts to make a sellable tractor lol!
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210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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